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Posted on 7/7/20 at 3:03 pm to monstranceclock76
Putin won't let Trump tear it down unless he pays off his loans in full with a 10 percent penalty
Posted on 7/7/20 at 3:11 pm to Zappas Stache
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Statue of Vladimir Lenin
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its privately owned
This is to much irony for me to process.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 3:18 pm to Zappas Stache
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This post was edited on 7/13/20 at 9:27 am
Posted on 7/7/20 at 3:26 pm to SpotCheckBilly
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Carpenter's initial interest in buying the statue was to preserve it for its historic and artistic merit.
No longer allowed in 2020.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 3:31 pm to monstranceclock76
quote:That statue WAS torn down from where it stood in Eastern Europe. And it was re-erected as kitsch - in the fricking US...the ultimate joke on Lenin.
Statue of Vladimir Lenin in Seattle
When will the offended people tear this one down??
And guess what? YOU STILL KNOW WHO LENIN IS! Isn't that amazing? History wasn't "destroyed" when a statue was removed from its original perch.
Thank you for making the case against yourself.
This post was edited on 7/7/20 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 7/7/20 at 3:32 pm to TH03
quote:It is.
Yeah I hope the thing is up ironically.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 3:34 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Thank you for making the case against yourself.
What is the actual case for removal?
Posted on 7/7/20 at 3:34 pm to BeeFense5
quote:cuz it's like da statue of stonewall jackson..statue goes brrr
What is the actual case for removal?
Posted on 7/7/20 at 3:36 pm to Big Scrub TX
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cuz it's like da statue of stonewall jackson..statue goes brrr
I don't know what this means.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 3:37 pm to BeeFense5
quote:There is no coherent case for the Lenin statue removal. This entire thread is an absurd attempted "gotcha" that inadvertently makes the obvious case FOR rebel statue removal.
I don't know what this means.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 3:39 pm to Big Scrub TX
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There is no coherent case for the Lenin statue removal
I have yet to hear a coherent case for the current statues being removed. What is the benefit?
Posted on 7/7/20 at 3:39 pm to Big Scrub TX
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And it was re-erected as kitsch -
“Kitsch” is exactly how I would have characterized the rebel flag on top of the Dukes of Hazard car.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 3:41 pm to HonoraryCoonass
quote:Perhaps it was true then, but the rebel flag now appears to be an entirely unironic display.
“Kitsch” is exactly how I would have characterized the rebel flag on top of the Dukes of Hazard car.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 3:44 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:You act like these people desecrating monuments is rational behavior and mock those like me that do not see the benefit. What is the "coherent" reason to support vandalism?
Big Scrub TX
Posted on 7/7/20 at 3:44 pm to BeeFense5
quote:I'm only referring to LEGAL AND ORDERED statue removal, but:
I have yet to hear a coherent case for the current statues being removed. What is the benefit?
Municipalities should be able to attend to their affairs however they see fit. If they go through their prescribed processes and arrive at removing a statue, then why shouldn't they do it?
Beyond that, it just seems obvious to me that government bodies displaying and maintaining tributes to a failed takeover of the country is entirely inappropriate. The benefit is to not have tributes to a failed takeover of the country.
In the case of actual removals, I certainly do not expect any kind of overnight panacea - or maybe even nothing at all.
Depending on the actual statue/memorial, I find myself mostly in favor of leaving them where they are and then supplementing them with more contextual information.
But - with certainty - the idea that removing them is "destroying history" is utterly absurd.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 3:45 pm to BeeFense5
quote:Nope. See my response above.
You act like these people desecrating monuments is rational behavior and mock those like me that do not see the benefit. What is the "coherent" reason to support vandalism?
Posted on 7/7/20 at 3:47 pm to Big Scrub TX
Thanks for the detailed response.
I don't have any connection to the statues but I also don't understand all of this energy being spent to remove them as if it actually helps anyone tangibly in their lives. It seems to just be a move to troll others which I think is ridiculous and not needed.
I don't have any connection to the statues but I also don't understand all of this energy being spent to remove them as if it actually helps anyone tangibly in their lives. It seems to just be a move to troll others which I think is ridiculous and not needed.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 3:49 pm to BeeFense5
quote:It's obviously been a long time coming. And it's boiled over in a way that is almost certain to be counter-productive.
I don't have any connection to the statues but I also don't understand all of this energy being spent to remove them as if it actually helps anyone tangibly in their lives. It seems to just be a move to troll others which I think is ridiculous and not needed.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 3:51 pm to Big Scrub TX
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It's obviously been a long time coming. And it's boiled over in a way that is almost certain to be counter-productive.
Genuinely curious.. I am in my 30's. I never heard of this monument removal nonsense until mitch Landrieu made a push for it. In what circles has this been a big topic prior to this time frame?
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