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re: State of Education in Louisiana and how to improve it
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:30 pm to t00f
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:30 pm to t00f
I think it's cute how some of you think there's actual hope for Louisiana public schools. I remember when I thought we'd fix the schools and the roads. Good times. Lots of hope for the future.
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:30 pm to jdeval1
I think it would eliminate a lot of the general studies and liberal arts degrees. It would also limit the amount of people qualified for TOPS
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:31 pm to tduecen
Free Nike shoes for any kid that makes the honor roll. Maybe that will motivate them.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:31 pm to Blackfield
teachers spend a lot of their own money to the benefit of their classroom and their students.
a lot of their time is spent disciplining students, and larger classes only make things worse.
'you get what you pay for.' we have overworked and underpaid, selfless educators dedicating their time and energy into trying to teach and inspire kids every single day.
teachers are invaluable but so unappreciated.
a lot of their time is spent disciplining students, and larger classes only make things worse.
'you get what you pay for.' we have overworked and underpaid, selfless educators dedicating their time and energy into trying to teach and inspire kids every single day.
teachers are invaluable but so unappreciated.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:32 pm to tduecen
More technical / life skills cirriculums for high school kids not on college track
Let them get out with trade skills....plumber, electrician, mechanic, bookkeeping, daycare worker, etc.
System is now where too many drop out or graduate high school without knowing shite
Let them get out with trade skills....plumber, electrician, mechanic, bookkeeping, daycare worker, etc.
System is now where too many drop out or graduate high school without knowing shite
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:33 pm to tduecen
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and improve the quality of education for students?
Would have to start by improving the quality of students
Take a placement test in 8th grade to see what high school you need to go to. Top tier to college prep high school all the way to bottom tier to basic life skills and maybe a simple trade
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:35 pm to Rouge
quote:See this is what I would like, I mean by 8th grade you have enough data to reasonably decide which students have a chance of success. While it would not be 100% you would still have at least a 70-80% chance of getting kids who would be drop outs involved in a job and a career they could continue. Have them start learning in 9th and 10th grade and then intern for credits in 11th and 12th grade while getting paid minimum wage or something close to it and then by the time they graduate they can earn a full salary with two years of internship.
More technical / life skills cirriculums for high school kids not on college track
Let them get out with trade skills....plumber, electrician, mechanic, bookkeeping, daycare worker, etc.
System is now where too many drop out or graduate high school without knowing shite
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:38 pm to jdeval1
Kids from good homes have shite educations too. Our standards are just low as frick.
My little sister went from a pretty well respected school here to Hockaday after Katrina, and had to get tutored to catch up. She was almost a year behind
My little sister went from a pretty well respected school here to Hockaday after Katrina, and had to get tutored to catch up. She was almost a year behind
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:52 pm to tgrbaitn08
quote:It's a good one.
That’s the most ridiculous fricking analogy I’ve ever heard
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:54 pm to tduecen
Demographics, really nothing you can do
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:56 pm to Geauxtiga
You’re comparing public school teachers to doctors at MD Anderson and bad public school students to cancer patients.
It’s a terrible analogy
It’s a terrible analogy
This post was edited on 10/3/17 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 10/3/17 at 10:00 pm to tgrbaitn08
Teachers and Doctors are both professionals and their clients are both being serviced- some successfully and others, not.
The biggest problem here is some folks talking about something they're uninformed about and I have neither the time nor desire to do it.
I can tell you one thing- teachers, as a whole, are not the problem.
The biggest problem here is some folks talking about something they're uninformed about and I have neither the time nor desire to do it.
I can tell you one thing- teachers, as a whole, are not the problem.
This post was edited on 10/3/17 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 10/3/17 at 10:05 pm to Geauxtiga
I don't think the teachers are the problem either. I don't send my kids to private school because of the public schools, I send them there because of the public school students.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 10:06 pm to yellowfin
Makes sense to me. I did the same. 
Posted on 10/3/17 at 10:28 pm to Mike da Tigah
I think there is hope, I think they have a lot of students who do not want to learn though. i also thing a lot of students are capable but they have not been challenged by engaging teachers.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 10:39 pm to Geauxtiga
Long answer, but I'm pretty passionate about this topic despite not having children of my own. I've done my best to break it up into reasonable paragraphs.
The whole boarding school idea would by far be the most effective, but the costs would be unreasonable. For higher-population areas, one public boarding school for some of the higher testing students would make sense, but then again, the higher testing students are going to have the better parents/safer homes, thus being less needing of the boarding school.
On a larger scale (both in LA and nationally):
1) Any public school students with a parent that doesn't work should be enrolled in an online-heavy curriculum. as in 3 days online, 2 days at a proper school. These are going to make up most of the trouble students, so taking them out of the classroom will help the two working parent/one working parent household students. If you're sitting on your arse collecting welfare, then you babysit your kid and make sure that they pay attention to the lessons. They can turn in their homework, take tests, and get more hands on learning 2 days a week.
2) Following up on #1, tie welfare receipts into student performance. Not just in cutting receipts for poor showing, but actually pay the parents extra for good performance. It's a very un-Libertarian idea, but my pure ideological solutions will never get passed. This one won't either, but it's reasonable. With the increased online presence, I think that the saved costs on brick and mortar buildings + potentially fewer faculty would make up for this cost.
3) Following up on #2, we need to fix how children are diagnosed with learning disabilities. Parent(s) already get more money if the government thinks that their kids are tarded. Stop giving the parents more money and invest it in special ed teachers. Parents should have no incentive to try to sabotage their child's education. It's sad that money could encourage this, but it does, and it needs to change.
4) As was mentioned before in this thread, and has been rightfully brought up many a times, I think we have a good idea of where a 14 or 15 year old kid is headed in life. Give a 15 year old, poorly performing student a chance to learn a trade. After a brief search, it costs ~$10,700 a year to educate a public school student. Federal minimum wage @ 30hrs/week = $11,300. So give half of that $10,700 to the parent, and give the other half to the employer. Pay the student the difference between the minimum wage and what employees are willing to pay them above $11,300/yr. That gives the 15-18 year old incentive to work more challenging jobs, as well as to work hard. If the student gets fired, the parent(s) get nothing. If the student struggles to find a job after being fired, give the parents/students one "do-over" chance to return to school.
The whole boarding school idea would by far be the most effective, but the costs would be unreasonable. For higher-population areas, one public boarding school for some of the higher testing students would make sense, but then again, the higher testing students are going to have the better parents/safer homes, thus being less needing of the boarding school.
On a larger scale (both in LA and nationally):
1) Any public school students with a parent that doesn't work should be enrolled in an online-heavy curriculum. as in 3 days online, 2 days at a proper school. These are going to make up most of the trouble students, so taking them out of the classroom will help the two working parent/one working parent household students. If you're sitting on your arse collecting welfare, then you babysit your kid and make sure that they pay attention to the lessons. They can turn in their homework, take tests, and get more hands on learning 2 days a week.
2) Following up on #1, tie welfare receipts into student performance. Not just in cutting receipts for poor showing, but actually pay the parents extra for good performance. It's a very un-Libertarian idea, but my pure ideological solutions will never get passed. This one won't either, but it's reasonable. With the increased online presence, I think that the saved costs on brick and mortar buildings + potentially fewer faculty would make up for this cost.
3) Following up on #2, we need to fix how children are diagnosed with learning disabilities. Parent(s) already get more money if the government thinks that their kids are tarded. Stop giving the parents more money and invest it in special ed teachers. Parents should have no incentive to try to sabotage their child's education. It's sad that money could encourage this, but it does, and it needs to change.
4) As was mentioned before in this thread, and has been rightfully brought up many a times, I think we have a good idea of where a 14 or 15 year old kid is headed in life. Give a 15 year old, poorly performing student a chance to learn a trade. After a brief search, it costs ~$10,700 a year to educate a public school student. Federal minimum wage @ 30hrs/week = $11,300. So give half of that $10,700 to the parent, and give the other half to the employer. Pay the student the difference between the minimum wage and what employees are willing to pay them above $11,300/yr. That gives the 15-18 year old incentive to work more challenging jobs, as well as to work hard. If the student gets fired, the parent(s) get nothing. If the student struggles to find a job after being fired, give the parents/students one "do-over" chance to return to school.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 11:03 pm to THRILLHO
Not a bad start to the conversation.
Bolder ideas that'll likely never get passed but we can try are:
-Any student that qualifies for & accepts TOPS for LA college must remain in the State of LA & employed for 5 years after graduation. Any student that under-performs (loses TOPS) or leaves the state for alternate employment prior to year 5 MUST repay the entire sum of their TOPS received (can be achieved by garnishing of wages much like Child Support). The results of this corrected implementation will keep TOPS funded for decades to come as LA employment will skyrocket & tax dollars will increase as a direct result. New businesses will pop up all over the state.
-Public High School students who under perform/get suspended or expelled & the household is on any form of public assistance will have to pay back or forfeit the assistance equivalent to the cost of education per student. Believe me, if the welfare checks are in danger of stopping because of education, you can bet education, attendance, & behavior will become important OVER NIGHT.
-Repeal No Child Left Behind. Some people just were not meant for school. Others just were not meant for school YET. There are plenty of local/regional options for adult level high school or night school once reality sets in.
-To piggy back above: Implement far more Trade School programs: electrician, auto, HVAC, carpentry, plumbing, solar, computer/IT, etc.
-Increase LA public school teacher pay by at least $15,000/year. A TOP reason LA hires lower level teachers is due to the ridiculously low salaries offered. When "no one" wants to work for such terrible pay, then the state is forced to hire anyone they can find to take the job...
-Provide for later school bus transportation hours after the regular school day ends. For student who do not have a job after school can participate in more extra-curricular activities or in after school tutoring & credit advancement opportunities.
Bolder ideas that'll likely never get passed but we can try are:
-Any student that qualifies for & accepts TOPS for LA college must remain in the State of LA & employed for 5 years after graduation. Any student that under-performs (loses TOPS) or leaves the state for alternate employment prior to year 5 MUST repay the entire sum of their TOPS received (can be achieved by garnishing of wages much like Child Support). The results of this corrected implementation will keep TOPS funded for decades to come as LA employment will skyrocket & tax dollars will increase as a direct result. New businesses will pop up all over the state.
-Public High School students who under perform/get suspended or expelled & the household is on any form of public assistance will have to pay back or forfeit the assistance equivalent to the cost of education per student. Believe me, if the welfare checks are in danger of stopping because of education, you can bet education, attendance, & behavior will become important OVER NIGHT.
-Repeal No Child Left Behind. Some people just were not meant for school. Others just were not meant for school YET. There are plenty of local/regional options for adult level high school or night school once reality sets in.
-To piggy back above: Implement far more Trade School programs: electrician, auto, HVAC, carpentry, plumbing, solar, computer/IT, etc.
-Increase LA public school teacher pay by at least $15,000/year. A TOP reason LA hires lower level teachers is due to the ridiculously low salaries offered. When "no one" wants to work for such terrible pay, then the state is forced to hire anyone they can find to take the job...
-Provide for later school bus transportation hours after the regular school day ends. For student who do not have a job after school can participate in more extra-curricular activities or in after school tutoring & credit advancement opportunities.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 11:27 pm to LSUgirl4
quote:
$$$$
more teachers
higher salaries
smaller classes
learning based environments vs test taking environments
getting parents to care ... yeah, i don't know how either.
just more funding, period.
In this entire list only one item would make a difference - getting parents to care. The rest would have essentially zero impact, although I dislike teaching to the test.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 7:08 am to forever lsu30
quote:
-Increase LA public school teacher pay by at least $15,000/year. A TOP reason LA hires lower level teachers is due to the ridiculously low salaries offered. When "no one" wants to work for such terrible pay, then the state is forced to hire anyone they can find to take the job.
Areas like Bastrop fit this problem.
To be fair, they are not the only district suffering this problem.
And they have all the other problems mentioned in this board.
I think the first step LA needs to take is to take over failing districts and implement your solutions in a "PC" way, so that they get passed.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 7:17 am to LucasP
quote:And instead, we just prop them up to make babies and continue a cycle of being supported by people who pay taxes. Instead of investing on a large percentage of them just sitting at home and making babies and doing other dishonest things, we should make them get jobs and invest all that money into schools.
Not totally sure, but I think we might be the only country in the world that spends the least amount of money on education for the poorest populations.
For kids with shitty families, we add in shitty schools. That's not a great system.
It really is mind boggling when you go to the hood and see how some things are happening.
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