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Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:28 am to
Posted by lsufan_26
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Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:28 am to
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$55k

This right about the starting salary for Staff 1s in audit for the Big 4
This post was edited on 1/30/17 at 3:00 pm
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:29 am to
He also puts these two in the same category:

quote:


College professor 40k
Police Officer 40k


While I guess these are "starting" salaries. The disparity in level of education makes this laughable.
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:29 am to
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So these jobs are equal in your mind?


question not directed at me, but I'll answer.

one profession generates revenue.
the other does not.

no one will argue that a Starbucks girl is more important than a school teacher.
however, the owner of Starbucks profits a lot more $ off of the cashier than the school board does off of the teacher. So the starbucks girls in turn gets paid more.



Posted by Vino24
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Member since Mar 2016
1596 posts
Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:32 am to
quote:

supply and demand


Right. And I think supply/demand is founded on the principle of how important society thinks things are. If no one demanded the NFL, it wouldn't exist in its current grandeur or be supplied in such grandeur.
Posted by Jones
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Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:33 am to
Tbh, I thought it was the manager.
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:35 am to
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Elementary school teacher


should be performance based.
Posted by sjmabry
Texas
Member since Aug 2013
18499 posts
Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:36 am to
Starting salary is complex b/c it takes into account several factors. No two employees are the same. Similar, but not the same.
Posted by Jones
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:37 am to
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While I guess these are "starting" salaries. The disparity in level of education makes this laughable


I worked at a college for almost a decade. Starting professors at a place like LSU don't deserve more than that. Prove yourself first.

And the amount of education doesn't mean much to me for those two starting salaries. Education isn't the end all be all
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
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Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:38 am to
quote:

He also puts these two in the same category:

quote:

College professor 40k
Police Officer 40k


While I guess these are "starting" salaries. The disparity in level of education makes this laughable.



and the actual responsibility....right?
Posted by Wayne Campbell
Aurora, IL
Member since Oct 2011
6371 posts
Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:38 am to
quote:

one profession generates revenue. the other does not.


This is an over simplistic way of looking at things.
Posted by yellowfin
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Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:39 am to
My opinion is that the market should set starting salaries for all jobs
Posted by shotcaller1
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:41 am to
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should be performance based.



How does one measure this? Obviously not standardized test scores.


Yeah plenty of kids benefit from good/great teachers while others are brought down by bad ones.

However, there are kids that are going to succeed and others that fail regardless of the quality of the teacher.
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
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Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:42 am to
quote:

How does one measure this? Obviously not standardized test scores.


Yeah plenty of kids benefit from good/great teachers while others are brought down by bad ones.

However, there are kids that are going to succeed and others that fail regardless of the quality of the teacher.



teachers need to be replaced by robots in my perfect world future. enough of them teaching opinions and not facts
Posted by sjmabry
Texas
Member since Aug 2013
18499 posts
Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:44 am to
Education level
Work history
Market value
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
7520 posts
Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:44 am to
quote:

Right. And I think supply/demand is founded on the principle of how important society thinks things are. If no one demanded the NFL, it wouldn't exist in its current grandeur or be supplied in such grandeur


supply and demand is only part of it.

how much direct revenue does a teacher generate?

we would have to revamp the entire system for them to earn more money.
as in we would have to charge per each individual student. and give those students the freedom to somewhat choose which teachers they had.

then the best teachers would make a ton of money and the crap ones would be replaced as often as backup kickers.
Posted by Wayne Campbell
Aurora, IL
Member since Oct 2011
6371 posts
Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:46 am to
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How does one measure this?


It's a pretty massive debate. One that we haven't come close to answering as a country. The problem is, we have too many people looking at schools as a balance sheet. And too many people who think they're experts on teaching just because they went to school.

Case in point, the nominee for Secretary of Education's inability to distinguish between growth and proficiency.
Posted by yellowfin
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Member since May 2006
97632 posts
Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:47 am to
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CPA for big oil company can make $250k+ within a few years at the company.


Maybe the top .02%
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18668 posts
Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:47 am to
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Prove yourself first.


Under the current model, they do. That's the whole idea behind requiring publications for graduating with your PhD. After graduation, most post doctoral researchers make around $40k. Here they are required to continue publishing their research and acquire funding through grants. At this point, they are actually making money for the University.
Posted by yellowfin
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Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:49 am to
Teaching is the only job in the world that can't be evaluated by performance. It's impossible according to them.
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18668 posts
Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:51 am to
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Teaching is the only job in the world that can't be evaluated by performance.


The problem is that it is highly dependent upon the students. Yet, we use the same metrics to evaluate regardless of schools that serve upper-middle-class families or inner city families.
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