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re: St Louis: Unarmed teen shot and killed by police, riot in progress.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 8:47 am to reedus23
Posted on 8/20/14 at 8:47 am to reedus23
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IF IF IF I am reading this right and IF IF IF the prosecuting attorney is doing his job, does that mean he isn't putting on evidence of justification during the grand jury phase?
Yes, that was the major issue with the Zimmerman trial. The bitch of a special prosecutor held back information that likely would have led to Zimmerman not being indicted because she was running for office.
There were calls for her to be disbarred because of it.
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Posted on 8/20/14 at 8:49 am to IT_Dawg
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What do you think would be the "acceptable" time needed to look at the evidence, assuming he is innocent?
I already said, I think they have a decision tomorrow, but don't release it until early Friday. If theres no indictment, they will want to have as much daylight as possible, so the protestors are worn down by nightfall and they will likely need time to ramp up for the backlash.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 8:49 am to igoringa
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Still interesting to me his neighborhood knew immediately about the robbery (twitter witness posted it), but it stayed under radar for week
I remember that word coming out and it was followed up with word that the store owner said he never called the police. I think everyone took that to mean it never happened, when the truth was that both rumors were accurate. It happened. The owner didn't call. A customer did. I do remember thinking that the 2nd rumor was odd because it wasn't that it didn't happen, but that he didn't call. I figured it was just a language thing.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 8:50 am to reedus23
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If that's right, and only evidence that supports charges and not the defense are brought to the GJ, I frankly don't see how an indictment isn't obtained short of the prosecuting attorney getting a preordained result and that will result in even more fuel to the fire.
I've no experience with the way Missouri does things, but GJs are inquisitorial/accusatorial proceedings, not adversarial/adjudicative procedures, so a good bit of what you suggest is true, generally.
However, in this case, the accomplice's testimony will be weighed by the grand jury, and there may be some evidence of the officer's injuries, witnesses who support his version, etc., sufficient that the GJ refuses to indict.
But, I think it is at least probable (>50%) he will be indicated for manslaughter (and 90%+ acquitted at trial) - based on what we know today.
This post was edited on 8/20/14 at 8:51 am
Posted on 8/20/14 at 8:52 am to Ace Midnight
They should skype in the courtroom again.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 8:52 am to reedus23
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I do remember thinking that the 2nd rumor was odd because it wasn't that it didn't happen, but that he didn't call. I figured it was just a language thing.
He hired a lawyer to release that statement officially the next week.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 8:52 am to igoringa
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No question they screwed up timing but that is not proportional to the reaction
This I agree with. In fact, nothing excuses the proportion of the reaction. I just have a hard time with the select few that don't see things that could have been done differently or better.
The difference to me is that the rioting equates to criminal behavior and should be treated as such. The actions of the department aren't criminal but that doesn't mean they couldn't improve their policies/procedures on how they handle different situations.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 8:53 am to Lsut81
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I think they have a decision tomorrow, but don't release it until early Friday
better to wait til monday
Posted on 8/20/14 at 8:53 am to the808bass
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This will 100% happen. Take it to the bank.
I think not just Ferguson but I think the County might have opened themselves up too, though I'm more doubtful of that one.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 8:54 am to Topwater Trout
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better to wait til monday
Very true, but that just extends it out even longer... Theres no way they'd be able to have school again next week if they released on Monday. Not that I necessarily think they would even if they released it on Friday. But at some point, you're just delaying in inevitable.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 8:56 am to the808bass
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Run by local county prosecutor (though he's not presenting, I gather
Who is? I thought that he was presenting but not sure I heard that or just was assuming?
Posted on 8/20/14 at 8:56 am to the808bass
1). Multiple on scene witnesses corroborate the story which we've heard in pieces from the friend of Wilson's gf and the chief. If I read the statue right, not presented to the GJ, but by a defense attorney after indictment.
2). STL reporter says it's 12 other witnesses. That would be stunning. Same
3). Rumor that Wilson had an orbital fracture from the scuffle at the car with Michael. Same
4). Grand jury starts today. Run by local county prosecutor (though he's not presenting, I gather) who has political aspirations. He will get whatever results he wants.
2). STL reporter says it's 12 other witnesses. That would be stunning. Same
3). Rumor that Wilson had an orbital fracture from the scuffle at the car with Michael. Same
4). Grand jury starts today. Run by local county prosecutor (though he's not presenting, I gather) who has political aspirations. He will get whatever results he wants.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 8:58 am to Lsut81
If they do get an indictment I think the protesters will equate that to him being guilty
Posted on 8/20/14 at 8:59 am to Topwater Trout
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I think they have a decision tomorrow, but don't release it until early Friday
better to wait til monday
No!!! His funeral is scheduled for Monday.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 9:00 am to Topwater Trout
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If they do get an indictment I think the protesters will equate that to him being guilty
Yup... Its absolutely fricking amazing that the supposedly "Intelligent" and "Leaders" of the groups out there don't even know how the judicial process works
Posted on 8/20/14 at 9:01 am to Aux Arc
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No!!! His funeral is scheduled for Monday.
Completely forgot about that.... That would be a powder keg of epic proportions.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 9:01 am to GEAUXmedic
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Which is why they say if the prosecutor wants an indictment, he gets an indictment.
I guess what I'm saying is, if he doesn't get an indictment, is it because he didn't want one? In other words, is there any way to NOT get one if you are only putting on evidence that support the charges and vigorously doing your job?
Posted on 8/20/14 at 9:01 am to Topwater Trout
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If they do get an indictment I think the protesters will equate that to him being guilty
You think
The have already decided he is guilty.
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If they do get don't indictment I think the protesters will still equate that to him being guilty
FIFY
Posted on 8/20/14 at 9:03 am to Lsut81
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Yes, that was the major issue with the Zimmerman trial. The bitch of a special prosecutor held back information that likely would have led to Zimmerman not being indicted because she was running for office.
Logic tells me that makes sense. Logic tells me you put all of the evidence on, even at the GJ phase. But logic also tells me that a prosecutor isn't there to do the defense attorney's job. Really don't know what the answer is.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 9:03 am to reedus23
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I think not just Ferguson but I think the County might have opened themselves up too, though I'm more doubtful of that one.
Yeah. I expect a DOJ action of some sort against Ferguson because it really can't fight back. The County will get harassed but not ultimately dinged. Democrats need their unions and public servants in line.
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