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re: St Louis: Unarmed teen shot and killed by police, riot in progress.

Posted on 8/18/14 at 1:39 pm to
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
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Posted on 8/18/14 at 1:39 pm to
I am pretty sure he died by gunshot I will wait for the Computer animated Gifs and testimony to decide.
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
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Posted on 8/18/14 at 1:41 pm to
Look 6 shoots into an unarmed guy is bad no matter how u slice it.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
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Posted on 8/18/14 at 1:42 pm to
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If someone tries to disarm me it becomes a deadly force situation.


Okay. I go for your gun - you get control of it and push me away - now you've got me at gunpoint - can you shoot me?

No. Of course not. I'm not trying to fight with you, but there are few bright line rules - I was trying to make the point earlier that the cop will have to account for every bullet - the weapon goes off while they're wrestling for it - justified. Michael Brown moves away (perhaps thinking he's shot - perhaps having actually been shot in the arm? We don't know) - if the cop shoots him at the point, from a safe distance - not justified. Michael Brown - after retreating - turns back on the officer and rushes him - perhaps justified because of the recent attempt to disarm the officer. If MB retreats again and puts his hands up? Additional shots may not be justified.

This is more complicated than people want to admit. Every shot will have to be analyzed - when you shoot someone who is unarmed, the burden has to be on the shooter to justify every shot. There is no "shoot to kill" after a disarm attempt (which was, tragically coincidental allegation in the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman case). However, if you try to disarm a police officer - and fail - then rush him again - you might get shot for your trouble, particularly if he is justified in believing you might be capable of it.

If an 8-year old boy tries to disarm the cop and fails, can the cop shoot him in that instance?

That's also why I discussed the vitals earlier - a 6'4" 250# (or bigger) man tussles with a cop - that makes it easier to justify shooting him than, say, a 5'2" 115# female - specifically because of this threat to disarm.
Posted by schwag
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2014
301 posts
Posted on 8/18/14 at 1:43 pm to
Interesting thought. What if the cop was left handed? If right handed mb would have to reach across the officers body to get to his holstered gun. If the cop was left handed MB could grab it much easier. I am assuming that the officers gun was either holstered or being drawn at this time. Just something to think about.
Posted by beebefootballfan
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 8/18/14 at 1:44 pm to
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City of #Ferguson just hired a PR firm.Their entire team appears to be white: LINK LINK
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 8/18/14 at 1:46 pm to
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City of Ferguson


Greatest Trolls of All Time
Posted by Paige
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Posted on 8/18/14 at 1:46 pm to
Good idea. They all sounded like bumbling idiots
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 8/18/14 at 1:46 pm to
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Okay. I go for your gun - you get control of it and push me away - now you've got me at gunpoint - can you shoot me?


If I charge at you, absolutely. Empty the clip. If I comply with instructions, no.
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
20705 posts
Posted on 8/18/14 at 1:46 pm to
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Look 6 shoots into an unarmed guy is bad no matter how u slice it.


Wrong on so many levels. 4 in arm to start off with. That don't do crap as explained before.
Posted by Paige
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Posted on 8/18/14 at 1:46 pm to
Read up on the case before making snap judgements
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68552 posts
Posted on 8/18/14 at 1:46 pm to
CNN
quote:

One of the bullets entered the back of his head and came out through his eye, another -- likely the fatal wound, Baden said -- struck Brown on the top of his head and caused irreparable damage to his brain.

Has anyone else heard this about a bullet entering the back of the head? If true, does this mean the was justified?
Posted by kilo
No block, no rock
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 8/18/14 at 1:48 pm to
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One of the bullets entered the back of his head and came out through his eye, another -- likely the fatal wound, Baden said -- struck Brown on the top of his head and caused irreparable damage to his brain.


According to everything that was released that is incorrect. There were no entry wounds in the backside of the body at all.
Posted by GEAUXmedic
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Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 8/18/14 at 1:48 pm to
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One of the bullets entered the back of his head and came out through his eye, another -- likely the fatal wound, Baden said -- struck Brown on the top of his head and caused irreparable damage to his brain.


wtf? now they're making up shite? look at the autopsy. listen to what baden said. none were in the back. CNN needs to DIAF with all the twisting of words and flat out lying they're doing.
Posted by schwag
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2014
301 posts
Posted on 8/18/14 at 1:48 pm to
Krump said that, not the pathologist.
Posted by Fireman17
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2010
12347 posts
Posted on 8/18/14 at 1:49 pm to
Look some streams are starting early today. LINK
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68552 posts
Posted on 8/18/14 at 1:49 pm to
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According to everything that was released that is incorrect. There were no entry wounds in the backside of the body at all.

Thanks kilo....that's what I thought but read this and said WTF!
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 8/18/14 at 1:49 pm to
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Okay. I go for your gun - you get control of it and push me away - now you've got me at gunpoint - can you shoot me?


No, but if you come at me again yes. According to some that's exactly what happened and MB had the size advantage.

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If an 8-year old boy tries to disarm the cop and fails, can the cop shoot him in that instance?
This is a ridiculous hypothetical.
Posted by kilo
No block, no rock
Member since Oct 2011
30179 posts
Posted on 8/18/14 at 1:50 pm to
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Krump said that, not the pathologist.


Everyone that is trying to stand in the way of real honest justice can DIAF as far im concerned. That goes for both sides.

Fools.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85158 posts
Posted on 8/18/14 at 1:50 pm to
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Krump said that, not the pathologist.


If its the comment I"m thinking of, it wasn't Krump, it was the second attorney that spoke.

And he didn't say back of the head.... He blabbed about something and then said "Back to front" which made no fricking sense.
This post was edited on 8/18/14 at 1:51 pm
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
20705 posts
Posted on 8/18/14 at 1:51 pm to
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Has anyone else heard this about a bullet entering the back of the head? If true, does this mean the was justified?



Look at the autopsy pic. It shows 1 into eye, out of jaw and into neck. One in top of head just shows an entry point and it is in top of head.
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