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re: St. George Movement is Back!

Posted on 3/2/18 at 1:46 pm to
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
40086 posts
Posted on 3/2/18 at 1:46 pm to
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What exactly would change with this though?


People can pat themselves on the back and act like they accomplished something
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33051 posts
Posted on 3/2/18 at 1:46 pm to
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Baton Rouge metro area has the 4th highest percentage of students attending private schools in the country


Insane and sad considering that wages aren't particularly high in Baton Rouge.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41804 posts
Posted on 3/2/18 at 1:52 pm to
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Better roads, sewers, etc. Of course we are just talking more about being "less crappy" and not necessarily superior infrastructure.


Roads, bridges and sewers are a product of EBR, not the City of BR. Maintenance of roads and bridges might be impacted by a new city, but sewers and road plans such as the Green Light Plan would not be.

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The schools in East Baton Rouge outside of Zachary and Central suck pretty badly. Those are huge public services that middle class taxpayers actually rely on.

If SG becomes a city it will remain in the EBRSS unless they allow SG to become an ISD. I'd suggest that when you look at the EBRSS and the school systems in Ascension and Livingston, I'd say theirs would be better not worse.

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And nothing is really stopping Ascension and Livingston from passing their own local taxes to improve their infrastructure either. They will eventually have to do it. Ascension is actually already working to improve their craptastic sewer system.


True, they are rapidly approaching critical mass in certain areas.
Posted by Pavoloco83
Acworth Ga. too many damn dawgs
Member since Nov 2013
15347 posts
Posted on 3/2/18 at 1:52 pm to
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White gonna white flight.


I figured thats what this must be about... Im assuming the St. George area must be white mostly?
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29785 posts
Posted on 3/2/18 at 1:54 pm to
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Insane and sad considering that wages aren't particularly high in Baton Rouge.



Private school doesnt' cost as much as you think here.
I'm about to write my check for my 2 kids for next year in elementary school. $10,512.
most other places that would be cheap for 1 kid, much less 2.

By comparison, daycare for one kid costs almost $10k.
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33051 posts
Posted on 3/2/18 at 1:54 pm to
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True, they are rapidly approaching critical mass in certain areas.



From a planning perspective, they are making the exact same mistakes Baton Rouge made 40 years ago.

It's frustrating to see that.
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33051 posts
Posted on 3/2/18 at 1:55 pm to
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I'm about to write my check for my 2 kids for next year in elementary school. $10,512.



$10,512 per year isn't chump change for middle class families - especially since they are already contributing taxes to an inferior public school system that doesn't serve their needs.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41804 posts
Posted on 3/2/18 at 1:58 pm to
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Central and Zachary still do not come close to comparing to Catholic High. Baton Rouge metro area has the 4th highest percentage of students attending private schools in the country, based off stats in 2014 LINK. New Orleans metro was 1st. That's pretty telling considering a very large portion of that metro area is considered Livingston and Ascenion, all public school attendees pretty much. The number is 19% in the BR metro area that attend private school. What do you think it is in St. George? closer to 50% i would assume when you don't have to count the public school attendees in Ascension/Livingston/Central/Zachary. It's a mindset with most of these families that they are going to send their kids to a private school. That will not be an easy mindset to change. All of the people that attend private schools in BR, could have easily moved to Zachary, Central, Praireville or Livingston, but they don't do that for the most part.


CHS is over a 100 years old.

Here's what I think. Not many families are going to suddenly pull their kids out of private schools in EBR if SG opens. Some will, but most won't.

But look at the 100s of young families that move out of EBR to Ascension and to Livingston. Those families will form the nucleus of the SG school system, and it will grow in time.

But that's way down the line. SG isn't even a city, and there's no slam dunk that it will be or that an ISD will be approved. But if it is, I don't see a huge need for new schools right off the bat. Eventually though there will be, and that has to be considered.

Meanwhile EBRSS is having a vote on renewing taxes on April 29th. This needs to be followed closely by all concerned citizens. Do we vote to keep the status quo, or we vote no to indicate that we do not approve and promises made in 2008 were not kept.
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
53103 posts
Posted on 3/2/18 at 1:59 pm to
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I figured thats what this must be about... Im assuming the St. George area must be white mostly?

Correct. It's a large portion of the unincorporated areas of Baton Rouge trying to form their own city/school district.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29785 posts
Posted on 3/2/18 at 2:01 pm to
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$10,512 per year isn't chump change for middle class families - especially since they are already contributing taxes to an inferior public school system that doesn't serve their needs.


what did those middle class families do when their kids where in daycare? Two kids in daycare is $15-20K/yr.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41804 posts
Posted on 3/2/18 at 2:01 pm to
Last time I believed the demographics were about 70% white, 30% black, Asian, etc.
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
53103 posts
Posted on 3/2/18 at 2:02 pm to
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Private school doesnt' cost as much as you think here. I'm about to write my check for my 2 kids for next year in elementary school. $10,512. most other places that would be cheap for 1 kid, much less 2.

shite I pay about $10,800 for one which is tuition only. Aftercare is extra. Granted we could choose a cheaper school if we needed to or move back to the burbs. No way I'd send my 10 yr old daughter to the schools I'm zoned for.
Posted by dixiechick
Member since Sep 2017
918 posts
Posted on 3/2/18 at 2:02 pm to
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This post was edited on 10/1/20 at 12:07 pm
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41804 posts
Posted on 3/2/18 at 2:03 pm to
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From a planning perspective, they are making the exact same mistakes Baton Rouge made 40 years ago. It's frustrating to see that.


Circumstances beyond their control doesn't help.

EBRSS scores don't help.
The flood didn't help them.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41804 posts
Posted on 3/2/18 at 2:04 pm to
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So are they taking the zoo with them?


SGeans are counting on the zoo for a huge economic input.

Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33051 posts
Posted on 3/2/18 at 2:04 pm to
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EBRSS scores don't help.
The flood didn't help them.


That diversion canal would help the three most populous parishes in the metro. Wish they'd get to work on that.
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
25167 posts
Posted on 3/2/18 at 2:04 pm to
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Private school doesnt' cost as much as you think here.
I'm about to write my check for my 2 kids for next year in elementary school. $10,512.


Check back when you get the first tuition bill for private high school
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
103532 posts
Posted on 3/2/18 at 2:05 pm to
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So are they taking the zoo with them?


BREC (who runs the zoo) is a parish-wide entity and completely irrelevant to the discussion.
Posted by Giantkiller
the internet.
Member since Sep 2007
24559 posts
Posted on 3/2/18 at 2:07 pm to
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No, actually way up, according to one economic study. The StG folks had one done, but the company that did it included tax revenue generated from the North BR industrial area. The study concluded that no increase in property taxes would be needed. However, Faulk & Winkler did another study without that glaring error, and they concluded that the only way for StG to fulfill its promises was to institute a drastic increase in property taxes. Naturally, the StG folks rejected this conclusion and stood by the study that they paid for.


As opposed to the study TogetherBR and the City of BR paid for?

I don't give a shite. I'm signing this motherfricker the second I can this go round. I was on the fence last time. Not anymore.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41804 posts
Posted on 3/2/18 at 2:07 pm to
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That diversion canal would help the three most populous parishes in the metro. Wish they'd get to work on that.


The BR metro region hasn't not been served well when you look at the big picture; highways, bridges and flood control.
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