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re: Spinoff WWII Thread: Armored Fighting Vehicles You Like
Posted on 4/7/16 at 1:30 pm to frankenfish
Posted on 4/7/16 at 1:30 pm to frankenfish
I'm better at WOT than any of you
Just sayin
Also,
Soviet KV-2
152 mm gun lolz
Just sayin
Also,
Soviet KV-2
152 mm gun lolz
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Posted on 4/7/16 at 1:37 pm to Ace Midnight
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Which reminds me - the U.S. was never big into the "assault gun" craze during the war, but I can't help but think that those vehicles inspired this U.S. Cold War platform:
Because it certainly wasn't a "tank" - no matter what they called it. It was a hybrid between a recon vehicle and assault gun. Weird, but it is what it is.
Yeah, the M551 Sheridan was a strange cat for sure. And I believe the first (and only) vehicle ever designated as a tank by the US to have aluminum armor. It was meant to give our Airborne forces their own armored formations, thus the need to be as light as possible. The other thing of note was it's main gun which was a 152mm hybrid that could fire conventional rounds and anti-tank missile's as well. It was a strange vehicle for sure. Course, if we're jsut talking strange American tanks, I think the M60A2 "Starship" wins the prize....
It had the same main gun as the M551 Sheridan.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 1:37 pm to Darth_Vader
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Instead of settling one really good design they could produce in large numbers, they instead wasted resources by spreading things out in producing small numbers of a wide variety of AFVs.
They did make money off the Panzer IV chassis with almost 9,000 produced - and revisions all the way to a J. version. But I can't help but think that the Germans remained elitist, particularly their tankers - they wanted the best tanks, most capable, biggest gun, etc., rather than the "most effective that we can build in large numbers."
When you think that at the end, they were still building 2 kinds of low volume Tigers, plus the Panther, shite tons of Stug IIIs, the Jagd models (on multiple chassis) and the IV-J was still in production in April/May 1945.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 1:38 pm to Hog on the Hill
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'm better at WOT than any of you
Love playing that game. But frick RNG and whatever idiot decided to put it at +/-25% in the game.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 1:39 pm to Darth_Vader
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it's main gun which was a 152mm hybrid that could fire conventional rounds and anti-tank missile's as well.
Right- and I forgot that point when I posted - it was a strange hybrid, then, of a recon/TD/Assault Gun.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 1:40 pm to Ace Midnight
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They did make money off the Panzer IV chassis with almost 9,000 produced - and revisions all the way to a J. version. But I can't help but think that the Germans remained elitist, particularly their tankers - they wanted the best tanks, most capable, biggest gun, etc., rather than the "most effective that we can build in large numbers."
When you think that at the end, they were still building 2 kinds of low volume Tigers, plus the Panther, shite tons of Stug IIIs, the Jagd models (on multiple chassis) and the IV-J was still in production in April/May 1945.
Exactly. Imagine if they'd have made some simplification mods on the Panther and focused everything on producing as many of those as they could. Tank for tank, the Panther was as good (and usually much better) than anything the Allies (east or west) had.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 1:41 pm to Hog on the Hill
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Soviet KV-2
Soviet bias in the game. I see that stupid looking mess when I use my Anko. I think that the KV2 gets targeted for its looks just like the Angry Connor.
WR>60
Posted on 4/7/16 at 1:45 pm to Ace Midnight
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Right- and I forgot that point when I posted - it was a strange hybrid, then, of a recon/TD/Assault Gun.
Sort of. It's main goal was to give Airborne forces their own armored punch behind enemy lines. That's why it had that 152mm hybrid gun. It could serve as artillery in a pinch against thing like pillboxes or fortifications. And it's Shillelagh anti-tank missile could knock out any Soviet tank of the time.
But it's major drawback was it's armor, or more specifically, it's lack of real armor. It was vulnerable to just about any anti-tank weapon the Soviets had. If the balloon had ever gone up in Europe and we air dropped these behind Soviet lines, the Soviets would have eaten the Sheridans alive.
Of course, if we'd have tried to give it enough armor to go toe to toe with T-55's, T-62s, T-64's, and T-72s at that time, it would have been too heavy to be an airborne tank in the first place. It was sort of a catch-22.
This post was edited on 4/7/16 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 4/7/16 at 1:53 pm to Darth_Vader
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Imagine if they'd have made some simplification mods on the Panther
I think their designers were just beyond that, though, Darth. We've covered this ground in other threads (although it will be new for some) - the Germans overengineered and overengineered almost all of their equipment. When it worked, it was the best stuff on the field, but they couldn't produce the numbers or this overengineering led to reliability problems.
I mean, the Soviets dropped the number of parts required to build a T-34 from mid 800s to 600-something. Brilliant, effective, brutal - without all the luxuries or frills of the Western tanks.
This post was edited on 4/7/16 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 4/7/16 at 1:55 pm to Darth_Vader
FTR, I never played WOT, but played the hell out of Panzer General back in the day. 
Posted on 4/7/16 at 1:59 pm to Ace Midnight
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I think their designers were just beyond that, though, Darth. We've covered this ground in other threads (although it will be new for some) - the Germans overengineered and overengineered almost all of their equipment. When it worked, it was the best stuff on the field, but they couldn't produce the numbers or this overengineering led to reliability problems.
Very true. The drive trains of German tanks were especially complicated. And what's worse, very maintenance and labor intensive in the field to keep running.
But on the other hand, while the Germans maintained such a high level of "craftsmanship" in their tank production right up until the end of the war.
On the other hand they went the opposite direction sometimes, namely the Heinkel He 162 which was basically a glorified glider with a crude jet engine strapped atop the fuselage.
Hell, the thing was made mostly of wood!
This post was edited on 4/7/16 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 4/7/16 at 2:02 pm to Ace Midnight
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FTR, I never played WOT, but played the hell out of Panzer General back in the day.
It's a great game, other than the bullshite RNG (Random Number Generator). I play it all the time at night after dinner while the kids are watching TV or doing homework. One drawback though is that if you're actually trained as a tanker, that training not only won't help you in the game, it will actually hurt you.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 2:38 pm to Ace Midnight
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This was what they came up with to answer the T-34....
And late war production of the Panther was running an average of about 60 a month, fewer Tigers, while the Russkies were pushing about 1000 T-34s off the line every month.
Even with a 10:1 kill ratio, by doctrine, the Germans were still losing on paper (and in reality).
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It wasn't just a question of Russia being able to out produce Germany, but they could also crew the new tanks (and didn't really give a shite what happened to the crews). By mid-1943, Germany didn't have many Germans left to conscript into service.
I'm currently reading a book about the Battle of Kursk, called Armor and Blood. The author, Dennis Showalter, states that the Soviet Union trained ~400,000 tank crewmen during WWII and only about 100,000 survived. Meat into the grinder...
This was what they came up with to answer the T-34....
And late war production of the Panther was running an average of about 60 a month, fewer Tigers, while the Russkies were pushing about 1000 T-34s off the line every month.
Even with a 10:1 kill ratio, by doctrine, the Germans were still losing on paper (and in reality).
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It wasn't just a question of Russia being able to out produce Germany, but they could also crew the new tanks (and didn't really give a shite what happened to the crews). By mid-1943, Germany didn't have many Germans left to conscript into service.
I'm currently reading a book about the Battle of Kursk, called Armor and Blood. The author, Dennis Showalter, states that the Soviet Union trained ~400,000 tank crewmen during WWII and only about 100,000 survived. Meat into the grinder...
Posted on 4/7/16 at 2:46 pm to White Roach
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It wasn't just a question of Russia being able to out produce Germany, but they could also crew the new tanks (and didn't really give a shite what happened to the crews). By mid-1943, Germany didn't have many Germans left to conscript into service.
I'm currently reading a book about the Battle of Kursk, called Armor and Blood. The author, Dennis Showalter, states that the Soviet Union trained ~400,000 tank crewmen during WWII and only about 100,000 survived. Meat into the grinder...
Yep. And this one of the main strengths of the T-34. It was incredibly simple to operate. They could put together a crew with little to no training and send them out. The German Panzer crews on the other hand went through long and extensive training. This meant that even in the closing weeks of the war, tank crew for tank crew, the Germans were heads and shoulders above anything the Soviets had. And along with superior tank crews, the German tanks themselves were also better tank for tank than what the Soviets could field. Hell, just due to superior optics and gunnery skills, it was not uncommon for German crews to start knocking out Soviet tanks before those Soviet tanks could even see the German tanks killing them.
The problem for the Germans though was how bad they were losing the numbers game. Yes, the Germans could start killing Soviet tanks at long range before those tanks could see them. But the Soviets always tanks in large enough numbers that a good deal of tanks would survive long enough to close in close enough to overwhelm the outnumbered German forces.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 2:56 pm to Darth_Vader
In July '43, Soviet pilots were put into combat with 18 hrs of flying time. Luftwaffe pilots averaged about 90 before going into combat.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 3:07 pm to White Roach
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In July '43, Soviet pilots were put into combat with 18 hrs of flying time. Luftwaffe pilots averaged about 90 before going into combat.
Well to cite one of Stalin's most famous quotes....
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Quantity has a quality all its own
Posted on 4/7/16 at 3:07 pm to Darth_Vader
Well if we are going to trot out the M551 Sheridan, might as well give you some nightmares/flashbacks. This bad boy came zipping by you when your task force got plowed under (again) during your NTC rotation.
Whoopie lights and buzzing MILES as far as the eye could see and the ear could hear.
Just saying.
Whoopie lights and buzzing MILES as far as the eye could see and the ear could hear.
Just saying.
This post was edited on 4/7/16 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 4/7/16 at 3:10 pm to White Roach
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What's the story on the King Tiger's "textured" surfaces? Is that a high build coating to add depth or shadows to the camouflage?
Anti-magnetic mine.
This post was edited on 4/7/16 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 4/7/16 at 3:11 pm to Wolfhound45
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Well if we are going to trot out the M551 Sheridan, might as well give you some nightmares/flashbacks. This bad boy came zipping by you when your task force got plowed under (again) during your NTC rotation.
Whoopie lights and buzzing MILES as far as the eye could see and the ear could hear.
Just saying
Oh, I remember those. My favorite were the "BMPs" with the limp noodle Sagger missiles tied to the fake 75mm gun.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 3:12 pm to Darth_Vader
Yeah, not a very impressive looking VISMOD
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