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Posted on 3/14/15 at 9:04 am to saintsfan1977
Heated steel with tons of weight on it will collapse. People act like steel is indestructable 
Posted on 3/14/15 at 9:11 am to Topwater Trout
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People act like steel is indestructable
And according to TX Tiger it ignites by the touch.
Posted on 3/14/15 at 9:12 am to Topwater Trout
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Heated steel with tons of weight on it will collapse. People act like steel is indestructable
I want you to melt a steel beam with only gasoline, then come back and talk to me. 3 buildings went down demolition style and you believe this was the work of passenger planes? Really?
Posted on 3/14/15 at 9:21 am to TX Tiger
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What's my conspiracy?
You don't know what the 9/11 conspiracy theory is?
If you are so ignorant, then, maybe you should stop posting.
Posted on 3/14/15 at 9:21 am to saintsfan1977
Ok you set it up. Damage some steel from an enormous impact. Heat it with a raging fire. Put an incredible weight bearing load on top of that weakened steel.
Idk why y'all think the steel has to melt to fail. Steel becomes pliable when heated...doesn't need to be melted to bend
Idk why y'all think the steel has to melt to fail. Steel becomes pliable when heated...doesn't need to be melted to bend
Posted on 3/14/15 at 9:22 am to saintsfan1977
science has been used to debunk you crazies. It literally takes someone wanting to be willfully ignorant to ignore the studies that have been done.
Posted on 3/14/15 at 9:22 am to saintsfan1977
Structural steel members didn't have to "melt", they just had to weaken and bend.
Posted on 3/14/15 at 9:25 am to TX Tiger
OK, Tx, I'll bite. I know people will just reference 911 myths and the other debunking sites, but a few things that have always not sat well with me.
- I'm not one of those guys who thinks a missile hit the Pentagon, but no clear video from one of the most guarded buildings in the world seems odd to me. But, that may be a security issue.
- I'm just a dumb guy who knows nothing about physics/engineering/chemistry, but building 7 folding like a house of cards, even with the Rudy Giuliani super duper double reinforced bunker and all of the government agencies in there makes me say hmmm.
- The war games going on at the same time.
- When you talk about financing, Saudi/Pakistani ties. A lot of people know about the report that Graham and Goss have complained was redacted and think that shows some direct links to Saudis. But, Graham, Goss, and even Condi met with a high level Pakistani guy right around 9/11 who some reports had as a financier for Atta. At best, I think there are some very uncomfortable issues with 9/11 and those countries.
Anyway, I would probably be in the Tx conspiracy camp, but there is no way you can get around the cell/airphone calls. To dispute those, you have to argue the family members on the ground were lying
, unless you can come up with something better like the people in the air were involved in drills, the hijackers were patsies, and the exercises were flipped live remotely in an Operation Northwoods type situation.
- I'm not one of those guys who thinks a missile hit the Pentagon, but no clear video from one of the most guarded buildings in the world seems odd to me. But, that may be a security issue.
- I'm just a dumb guy who knows nothing about physics/engineering/chemistry, but building 7 folding like a house of cards, even with the Rudy Giuliani super duper double reinforced bunker and all of the government agencies in there makes me say hmmm.
- The war games going on at the same time.
- When you talk about financing, Saudi/Pakistani ties. A lot of people know about the report that Graham and Goss have complained was redacted and think that shows some direct links to Saudis. But, Graham, Goss, and even Condi met with a high level Pakistani guy right around 9/11 who some reports had as a financier for Atta. At best, I think there are some very uncomfortable issues with 9/11 and those countries.
Anyway, I would probably be in the Tx conspiracy camp, but there is no way you can get around the cell/airphone calls. To dispute those, you have to argue the family members on the ground were lying
, unless you can come up with something better like the people in the air were involved in drills, the hijackers were patsies, and the exercises were flipped live remotely in an Operation Northwoods type situation. This post was edited on 3/14/15 at 9:54 am
Posted on 3/14/15 at 9:26 am to White Roach
Why was the same woman interviewed after 9/11, Sandy Hook, Aurora, and the Kennedy and Lincoln assassinations?
Government actors people! Wake up!
Government actors people! Wake up!
Posted on 3/14/15 at 9:26 am to rintintin
Like rear ending a pinto
Posted on 3/14/15 at 9:32 am to White Roach
The WTC were 1300ft tall. The plane hit at roughly 1000ft? I know heat travels through steel but it wont weaken 800ft of it. If there was only 4 beams to this building it still couldn't do it but there were thousands of steel braces and these building fell to the ground in place just as demolition experts are trained to do to bring one down. Those buildings were targeted and set up to be taken down down weeks to months before 9/11 with thermite, dynamite, C4 or some type of explosive. Planes, holograms, missiles, etc were just distractions. Steel getting hot bends, it doesnt collapse straight down. So why didnt at leats one tower fall sideways?
This post was edited on 3/14/15 at 9:35 am
Posted on 3/14/15 at 9:36 am to saintsfan1977
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want you to melt a steel beam with only gasoline, then come back and talk to me. 3 buildings went down demolition style and you believe this was the work of passenger planes? Really?
The burden of proof is on you. We witnessed it, and it is the most likely occurrence. If you want to promote an alternative theory, one which is much more outlandish and lacks evidence, the burden of proof is on you to convince what we saw with our own eyes is false.
Posted on 3/14/15 at 9:36 am to saintsfan1977
why hasn't any of the countless people involved felt guilty enough to come forward and talk about it?
Posted on 3/14/15 at 9:38 am to saintsfan1977
What do you think the impact did to the steel beams? To compromise the integrity of the supports you don't have to heat up 800ft of it for it to fail.
Posted on 3/14/15 at 9:40 am to rintintin
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The burden of proof is on you. We witnessed it, and it is the most likely occurrence
no shite
WE SAW THE frickING PLANES HIT THE BUILDINGS
WE SAW THE BUILDINGS BURN
WE SAW THE BUILDINGS COLLAPSE
But it "makes more sense" that it was a hologram, that thousands of people saw live that hit the buildings, the smoke was fake, the people interviewed lied about it, there was a team of hundreds or thousands working on the demolition and cover up..THAT is no problem but NO frickING WAY STEEL MELTS!!!!!!!!!!!!
This post was edited on 3/14/15 at 9:41 am
Posted on 3/14/15 at 9:41 am to Topwater Trout
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What do you think the impact did to the steel beams? To compromise the integrity of the supports you don't have to heat up 800ft of it for it to fail.
So why didnt any building fall with the impact? Because it took explosives to bring it down and not a hologram.
Posted on 3/14/15 at 9:43 am to TheIndulger
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why hasn't any of the countless people involved felt guilty enough to come forward and talk about it?
Probably because all those people jumped out of a burning building.
Posted on 3/14/15 at 9:46 am to saintsfan1977
It was a progressive collapse, starting at the area impacted by the planes. In at least one of the towers jet fuel poured down an elevator shaft(s) in the center core of the building and burned people in the lobby.
The tower footprints were something like 208' x 208'. There structural member around the perimeter and at the center core. Part of the attraction of WTC 1 & 2s was the wide open office spaces.
The tower footprints were something like 208' x 208'. There structural member around the perimeter and at the center core. Part of the attraction of WTC 1 & 2s was the wide open office spaces.
Posted on 3/14/15 at 9:50 am to saintsfan1977
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So why didnt any building fall with the impact?
I love how 9/11 conspiracists all of a sudden are experts in physics and engineering because they watched a few youtube videos.
The truth is nobody really knows how a 1300 ft building reacts to a jumbo jet hitting it at 400 mph, BECAUSE IT HAD NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE. Math can only tell you so much, until it actually happens. We saw what happened, yet some people think it's more plausible that a gov't conspiracy was the culprit.
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