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re: Spinoff: Is anyone here still opposed to marijuana legalization and if so why?

Posted on 4/20/16 at 12:45 pm to
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 4/20/16 at 12:45 pm to
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Legalizing pot does not our roads safer, the opposite is true.


More or less fatalities in co since legalization?
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 4/20/16 at 12:56 pm to
quote:

Legalizing pot does not our roads safer, the opposite is true.


More or less fatalities in co since legalization?
Posted by Cracker
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Posted on 4/20/16 at 12:56 pm to
IDGAF
Posted by Peazey
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Posted on 4/20/16 at 1:03 pm to
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bullshite. I was taught early on the importance of following the law to avoid potential problems in life. If I could have had access to alcohol, tobacco, or drugs, without breaking the law, there's a good chance I might have at some point taken that opportunity when I was younger. People like me who respect the law whether someone is watching or not exist, and just because you don't doesn't make my way of life irrelevant. Making it legal means more people will try it, and just because you're in denial of that fact doesn't make it right. And stop fricking deflecting to alcohol, that's an entirely different fight and doing so makes you sound like a bitch.



So because you can't trust yourself or others to make their own personal life choices pot should be illegal. Got it.

Also, blindly following the law of the land because it is the law is no way to live. It is your duty to disobey an unjust law. An unjust law is no law at all, morally speaking.
Posted by mouton
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Posted on 4/20/16 at 1:10 pm to
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People like me who respect the law whether someone is watching or not exist,


So I take it you never drive over the posted speed limit?
Posted by Barf
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Posted on 4/20/16 at 1:15 pm to
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bullshite. I was taught early on the importance of following the law to avoid potential problems in life. If I could have had access to alcohol, tobacco, or drugs, without breaking the law, there's a good chance I might have at some point taken that opportunity when I was younger. People like me who respect the law whether someone is watching or not exist, and just because you don't doesn't make my way of life irrelevant. Making it legal means more people will try it, and just because you're in denial of that fact doesn't make it right. And stop fricking deflecting to alcohol, that's an entirely different fight and doing so makes you sound like a bitch.



So what's the argument against legalization? All you really accomplished in your statement is spewing personal rhetoric.

Is there something about weed that poses a risk that other drugs do not? You mentioned alcohol being "an entirely different fight," what is that fight exactly?

What do we gain as a society by keeping cannabis illegal? Do you feel we are protecting those than cannot protect themselves? You have to give us something. You can not matter of factly state that weed is stupid and should be against the law.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
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Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 4/20/16 at 1:16 pm to
Definitely not opposed to legalization, but it is trashy.
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 4/20/16 at 2:36 pm to
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Making it legal means more people will try it


virtually everyone I know has tried it already. It's not hard to find. It's basically available on demand right now.

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nd stop fricking deflecting to alcohol, that's an entirely different fight and doing so makes you sound like a bitch.


No, it's a perfectly legitimate analogy. Your family would have been addicts with or without pot. I don't know what's in the water where yall live, but most people can smoke a joint without ruining their lives. Your anecdote is indicative of the people you associate with, not of the pot smoking general public who manage to smoke a plant without becoming junkies.
This post was edited on 4/20/16 at 2:37 pm
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 4/20/16 at 2:39 pm to
Did you frame your D.A.R.E certificate?
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 4/20/16 at 3:10 pm to
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bullshite. I was taught early on the importance of following the law to avoid potential problems in life. If I could have had access to alcohol, tobacco, or drugs, without breaking the law, there's a good chance I might have at some point taken that opportunity when I was younger. People like me who respect the law whether someone is watching or not exist, and just because you don't doesn't make my way of life irrelevant. Making it legal means more people will try it, and just because you're in denial of that fact doesn't make it right. And stop fricking deflecting to alcohol, that's an entirely different fight and doing so makes you sound like a bitch


How is referencing alcohol make me sound like a bitch? Alcohol is a serious issue in this country. This country was founded on breakimg the laws of old British rule.

There is some major hypocrisy going on here. The problem is you have basically been lied to your entire life from the government about marijuana. And you are being hypocritical in every word you say.

Now you may have never broken a rule in your life, but you can't sit here and say alcohol has no place in this discussion. It leads to a lot of the social issues you and others are afraid of marijuana leading to.

Homelessness, drug abuse, spousal abuse, child abuse, prostitution, obesity, heart disease, fatal car accidents, depression, a whole list of problems. All of that can stem from alcohol abuse.
Posted by BACONisMEATcandy
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 4/20/16 at 3:14 pm to
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I am referring to both medical and recreation use.


Serious question. What are the medical benefits of smoking marijuana as opposed to being prescribed Marinol? I can't wrap my head around a doctor prescribing smoking to anyone

ETA: I am indifferent on the legalization of recreational use.
This post was edited on 4/20/16 at 3:16 pm
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 4/20/16 at 3:23 pm to
Don't have to smoke it. With a patient going through chemo, they can ingest it to help with pain and nausea. Marinol is just man made THC.

That's just one example.

I just did a little search so I could be wrong, but looks like marinol is also more expensive. So you have pharmaceuticals making legal versions of what would be drugs on the street and charging more. Go figure.
This post was edited on 4/20/16 at 3:29 pm
Posted by BACONisMEATcandy
Member since Dec 2007
46650 posts
Posted on 4/20/16 at 3:26 pm to
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Don't have to smoke it. With a patient going through chemo, they can ingest it to help with pain and nausea.


Marinol is a synthetic version of THC in pill form. So my original question still remains.
Posted by jdd48
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 4/20/16 at 3:29 pm to
It passed the Senate 21-16 this time on reconsideration.
This post was edited on 4/20/16 at 3:31 pm
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
80193 posts
Posted on 4/20/16 at 3:30 pm to
Idk, I watched a documentary and this kid wasn't prescribed it but vaped it. He was in a wheel chair and had unctrollable spasms, as soon as he smoked the spams stopped. I'm no doctor so I don't have the answer for you. But could be hard to take something in a state like that or the fact the smoke hits your brain faster relieving the symptoms much quicker.

But they prescribe marinol because they know THC helps chemo patients and charge you more for it.
This post was edited on 4/20/16 at 3:37 pm
Posted by BACONisMEATcandy
Member since Dec 2007
46650 posts
Posted on 4/20/16 at 3:42 pm to
Like I stated previously I don't have a problem with it, I just don't understand the medical benefits of smoking it. Pill and other edible forms I understand.

Louisiana's Medicaid program’s total health expenditures caused by tobacco use is currently $803.0 million

If legalized I would want forfeiture of state liability. My apprehension is purely from a fiscal standpoint.
This post was edited on 4/20/16 at 3:45 pm
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
80193 posts
Posted on 4/20/16 at 3:46 pm to
Sorry I'm all over the place. Just glanced at this study.

Marinol doesn't last as long, and some people don't respond to it.

In what I mentioned earlier, people with epilepsy and multiple sclerosis take to actual cannabis better than taking synthetic THC orally. Basically marinol doesn't have some properties of the actual plant itself.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
80193 posts
Posted on 4/20/16 at 3:50 pm to
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legalized I would want forfeiture of state liability. My apprehension is purely from a fiscal standpoint. ?


No issues with that, but still goes back to what I had said before. I don't think that much more people will be smoking it that aren't already. We are already paying for them.

Why not make money from pot smokers? Because rt now the government just spends money trying to eradicate it.

That makes zero sense to me.


If I'm not mistaken from your name. You were in a frat at LSU. I know you know guys that wouldn't just smoke it because it was legal.
This post was edited on 4/20/16 at 3:52 pm
Posted by BigSquirrel
Member since Jul 2013
1880 posts
Posted on 4/20/16 at 7:01 pm to
Lol, I think alcohol should be illegal as well. So the whole, well if alcohol is legal, so should weed argument is lost on me. frick them both. They are in the exact same boat far as I'm concerned. Man up and go through life without crutches.

The fact is it's a drug, that's why it's illegal. Its not a heinous law that's depriving people of their freedom, it's a law that's making it harder to get a rightfully banned substance. It's not going to cure your kid's cancer, it's not going to make your skin look great, and it won't tone your midsection without the hassle of crunches. It's a mind altering substance, it's addictive, and it often leads to the abuse of other drugs. Those three things are what make it an illegal substance. Honestly, does anything about the way Americans use alcohol make you think that making other mind altering drugs available to the public will be a good idea? Don't blame people like me from holding back the legalization of weed. Blame the fricking people pulled over for DUIs, or the drunk in the trailer park beating the shite out of his wife every Saturday night, or the frats fighting in Tigerland.

Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
37431 posts
Posted on 4/20/16 at 7:05 pm to
Hey as long as you're consistent in your beliefs, I'll respect that. Agree to disagree.
This post was edited on 4/20/16 at 7:06 pm
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