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Posted on 9/14/23 at 12:57 pm to BhamDore
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There is a such thing as a group image or group perception.
We have to stop pretending like we don't stereotype or predetermine things based on group perception or image. Human pattern recognition is a basic human survival instinct.
The problem is most people only care about the bad apples and ignore the good one's. If a cop pulled a kid out of a burning vehicle, stopped an active shooter (unlike Uvalde) stopped a domestic situation, etc, you and most others here wouldn't care, ya'll would keep scrolling and forget you even saw the headline.
I despise bad cops, firemen, medics all the same but I see the good they do day in and day out. But when you only want to keep up with any frick ups they do while choosing to ignore the good, you'll have that perception. As a first responder, who rarely rides a truck anymore, I hate thank you and praises, most find it awkward and embarrassing, not what we want. Just if you are going to judge the bad, judge the good also.
I use to be able to see first hand what they had to deal with in a violent city. I've had them jump on top of me ready to take a bullet when a gun I didn't see was pointed at me. I've had my arse saved way too many times to be ungrateful. I've also chewed their asses out when they did shite I disagreed with.
This post was edited on 9/14/23 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 9/14/23 at 1:01 pm to Mushroom1968
When it comes down to it, any time you have around 800k of a certain profession, there are going to be bad ones. One issue is with recruitment, same with fire and ems. You recruit an 18 y/o to have an exciting life and they get a criminal justice degree, fire science, paramedic, some shite they can't do much with unless they go into that field, or they don't have a degree at all. 5 years in, they realize chasing criminals, getting cussed at, going in fires, seeing death is no longer something they like.
They get burned out, but now have nowhere else to turn to. We aren't honest with our recruiting, all the bad shite gets left out, promises don't get kept, and you have pissed off cops and medics out in the field who no longer give a shite, especially at busy departments.
They get burned out, but now have nowhere else to turn to. We aren't honest with our recruiting, all the bad shite gets left out, promises don't get kept, and you have pissed off cops and medics out in the field who no longer give a shite, especially at busy departments.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 1:01 pm to Outdoorreb
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Willing to bet that shite was taken out of context.
Yep.
The cop on audio (Auderer) was called to the scene to confirm the cop that hit her was sober. (Probably protocol). He was then on audio reporting what happened to the guild President (Solan). According to Auderer:
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Auderer said that Solan had lamented the death and that his own comments were intended to mimic how the city's attorneys might try to minimize liability for it. "I intended the comment as a mockery of lawyers," Auderer wrote, according to KTTH. "I laughed at the ridiculousness of how these incidents are litigated and the ridiculousness of how I watched these incidents play out as two parties bargain over a tragedy." The station reported that Auderer acknowledged in the statement that anyone listening to his side of the conversation alone "would rightfully believe I was being insensitive to the loss of human life." The comment was "not made with malice or a hard heart," he said, but "quite the opposite."
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This post was edited on 9/14/23 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 9/14/23 at 1:03 pm to LSUFAITHFUL
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"I laughed at the ridiculousness of how these incidents are litigated and the ridiculousness of how I watched these incidents play out as two parties bargain over a tragedy." The station reported that Auderer acknowledged in the statement that anyone listening to his side of the conversation alone "would rightfully believe I was being insensitive to the loss of human life." The comment was "not made with malice or a hard heart," he said, but "quite the opposite."
I said this exact same thing in other thread about this but I thought he may be mocking his supervisors instead of attorneys.
TD
"Again, sounds like cop thought he was having a private conversation which can get pretty dark and tasteless, sadly I’m guilty. Would be interesting what person on other line was saying, could have been a sarcastic remark that supervisor won’t care since it was a “regular” person or something of that nature."
This post was edited on 9/14/23 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 9/14/23 at 1:12 pm to LordSaintly
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He didn't say THOSE cops were good.
The existence of bad cops doesn't mean all cops are bad.
Does the possibility of them harboring the bad ones in their midst make them bad themselves? It would for any other profession.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 1:26 pm to i am dan
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Can we not lump a group of people into a box over the actions of one person?
And yes, I know there are lots of a-hole cops out there. We've had this thread/discussion a few dozen times on here.
I've seen tons of nice cop videos. Helping save peoples' lives. Are they all the same? I've seen cops break down after being forced to fire on a person. I think most cops don't like shooting people, but that's just my feeling on it.
If I see that an Alabama player slapped a girl in a bar, should I think all college football players go around slapping women?
Just trying to figure out how I should think. Maybe attach your perception of people's actions to their actual actions.
I'm not taking up for the blue line here, just giving an alternative thought process.
If I get on youtube and watch a bunch of a-hole cops doing bad things, I would grow the perception that cops are assholes.
If I get on youtube and watch a bunch of good cops doing nice things and risking their lives and helping people and playing basketball with the community kids, I would think cops are good.
Perception is everything. Your perception is your reality. These message boards shape your reality more than you know.
I doubt seriously that many cops enjoy shooting people. If for no other reason than the paperwork has to be more than a little complicated. What I do not doubt for a minute is that almost everyone of them will violate your rights within a few seconds of meeting you and will escalate the situation almost immediately and without fail if you are not completely on board with them violating your rights. The ones who do not do this regularly do not stop their brothers from doing it. For example it is not legal for a cop to ask for you identity in Georgia unless you are suspected of having or about to commit a crime OR you have been charged with loitering or prowling...if it is the former they must be able to artculate what crime is suspected...which will usually send them over the edge but even in the case of good cops will usually result in them telling you you are suspicious, which is not a crime, and when you point this out and ask if you are free to go they will tell you no at which point they have violated your rights and any of them there who do not step in and correct this is not a good cop nor a good person...they are assholes at best who do not know and do not care that individuals have rights...coupled with the power of the state that is worse than laughing at a dead girl.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 1:30 pm to Koach K
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The biggest farce of 2020 was that the police are a conservative, freedom-loving, Maga-aligned group and not a big-union, red-guard arm of the statist elites.
It never ceases to amaze me that "conservatives" are so happy to support the single state institution that will enforce any and all laws, legal or not, that the state comes up with. If you are going to have your rights violated odds are almost certain it is going to be a cop who does it. It is not going to be a politician, it is less likely to be a judge, it will be a cop who is the first of many state employees to do it. It is part and parcel of their job description and they are conveniently kept ignorant of what violating individual rights consist of.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 1:30 pm to Koach K
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The biggest farce of 2020 was that the police are a conservative, freedom-loving, Maga-aligned group and not a big-union, red-guard arm of the statist elites.
It never ceases to amaze me that "conservatives" are so happy to support the single state institution that will enforce any and all laws, legal or not, that the state comes up with. If you are going to have your rights violated odds are almost certain it is going to be a cop who does it. It is not going to be a politician, it is less likely to be a judge, it will be a cop who is the first of many state employees to do it. It is part and parcel of their job description and they are conveniently kept ignorant of what violating individual rights consist of.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 1:34 pm to BhamDore
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When can we stop pretending cops are good people?
When are we going to stop labeling all cops as the same?
Posted on 9/14/23 at 1:36 pm to Mushroom1968
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"Again, sounds like cop thought he was having a private conversation which can get pretty dark and tasteless, sadly I’m guilty. Would be interesting what person on other line was saying, could have been a sarcastic remark that supervisor won’t care since it was a “regular” person or something of that nature."
I work in construction, an occupation with a solid number of workplace deaths. If I were overheard saying something like that over an accidental death, my firing wouid probably be the least terrible part of the day.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 1:56 pm to MoarKilometers
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work in construction, an occupation with a solid number of workplace deaths. If I were overheard saying something like that over an accidental death, my firing wouid probably be the least terrible part of the day.
It probably wouldn’t be, I think you are being over dramatic in how it would affect you. Go back and read the post I was replying to, it was a statement from the officer. If you don’t want to believe him then don’t. Fwiw, I worked construction before I got on fire department, also restaurant business.
And for other poster about bad apples don’t last in any other profession, yet there’s almost daily threads here about bad apples at their work place. But we can also ignore all the police, firefighters, ems that get fired all the damn time, we will just pretend we didn’t know that won’t we?
Posted on 9/14/23 at 2:07 pm to Mushroom1968
I wouldn't condone it but 60 years ago women use to get slapped for being quick to judgement, over emotional, and over dramatic, when did men become like this? Ya'll are ready to jump the gun and hang the dude and don't even know the facts, wouldn't believe the facts even if you were slapped in the face with them.
Police officers get fired all the time, most of the time due to other officers turning them in, ya'll just don't care about those firings, nor does the media. Of course there are shitty cops, there's also shitty employees at the plant ya'll work at or boring office buildings ya'll work in. Guarantee ya'll don't say shite about them either.
If you hate cops then talk to your councilman or woman about getting rid of them, take action. Like I tell the guys on the ambulance and fire trucks, ya'll ain't responding to violent situations, suicidal thoughts, overdoses, etc if cops aren't there. If the public wants to get rid of them, get rid of fire/ems also. If you want perfection, get robots.
I can assure we try and train and hire the best possible. As a matter of fact, manpower is extremely low and trucks shutdown due to more stringent hiring policies. Most including myself have always been extremely professional in public and want the best for our citizens. I also have a huge distrust to the media and info put out, they can make anything look bad, nor do I respect people who jump to conclusions just because "they hate all cops"
Police officers get fired all the time, most of the time due to other officers turning them in, ya'll just don't care about those firings, nor does the media. Of course there are shitty cops, there's also shitty employees at the plant ya'll work at or boring office buildings ya'll work in. Guarantee ya'll don't say shite about them either.
If you hate cops then talk to your councilman or woman about getting rid of them, take action. Like I tell the guys on the ambulance and fire trucks, ya'll ain't responding to violent situations, suicidal thoughts, overdoses, etc if cops aren't there. If the public wants to get rid of them, get rid of fire/ems also. If you want perfection, get robots.
I can assure we try and train and hire the best possible. As a matter of fact, manpower is extremely low and trucks shutdown due to more stringent hiring policies. Most including myself have always been extremely professional in public and want the best for our citizens. I also have a huge distrust to the media and info put out, they can make anything look bad, nor do I respect people who jump to conclusions just because "they hate all cops"
This post was edited on 9/14/23 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 9/14/23 at 2:08 pm to LSU Grad Alabama Fan
I bet you don’t hesitate to do that for many things
Posted on 9/14/23 at 2:08 pm to Mushroom1968
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Y’all ain’t
Looks baws, we found a cop -
Posted on 9/14/23 at 2:11 pm to NIH
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Looks baws, we found a cop -
I wouldn't be a cop for a quadruple pay raise.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 2:13 pm to WDE24
quote:I've heard from medics, cops & firefighters that they oftentimes utilize dark humor as a trauma response to what they see everyday in car wrecks and things of that nature. Basically they have to make light of it to not kill themselves 6 months onto the job. I've never been a first responder so idk personally but I'd imagine being a fireman and pulling dead families out of cars day after day would be extremely traumatic and taxing.
I was told this is normal for all first responders and isn’t a big deal.
Not to say i'm defending the guy, just an observation.
This post was edited on 9/14/23 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 9/14/23 at 2:14 pm to Mushroom1968
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Ya'll are ready to jump the gun and hang the dude and don't even know the facts, wouldn't believe the facts even if you were slapped in the face with them.
For someone who wrote 4 paragraphs admonishing folks for judging using a wide brush, you didn't have issue painting with one yourself.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 2:16 pm to Sao
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For someone who wrote 4 paragraphs admonishing folks for judging using a wide brush, you didn't have issue painting with one yourself.
I'm speaking of the people already making judgement without seeing the other side, people who do that don't understand basic concepts, facts, and have a small amount of knowledge about simple things.
Ok, I agree with you. My bad
Posted on 9/14/23 at 2:22 pm to Mushroom1968
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I'm speaking of the people already making judgement without seeing the other side, people who do that don't understand basic concepts, facts, and have a small amount of knowledge about simple things.
Again, not defending the guy at all, but i'd be extremely hypocritical to pretend I haven't made some really reeeaaaally dark jokes in my day. I can understand people being upset for sure, i'm just very glad that some of my conversations haven't been recorded and released.
This post was edited on 9/14/23 at 2:24 pm
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