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re: South LA is a Catholic Heavy Area...Besides the LP. Why so?

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Posted by biglego
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Posted on 3/7/16 at 10:49 am to
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What I don't understand about Catholics is they try and add things to salvation when the scripture is clear. "By grace are you saved through faith; not of works lest any man should boast."

Bc Jesus did good works. Recall the whole "when I was hungry, you gave me food..." story.
Posted by member12
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Posted on 3/7/16 at 11:24 am to
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i didn't say that. I said i've never seen them


Few have after the 1980's....but they did have a strong presence in the heavily Protestant Florida parishes including Livingston for a long time.

As far as demographic makeup, Baton Rouge became the state's melting pot because of Standard Oil, LSU, and state government. Without that it would look more like the Florida parishes.

Also the influx of Catholics to the north shore of lake Ponchatrain is a fairly recent trend. I actually read that the KKK was at some point very prominent in the Bedico area west of Madisonville.
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Posted by choupic
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Posted on 3/7/16 at 11:35 am to
What is the LP?
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Posted on 3/7/16 at 11:37 am to
You have never had a pamphlet or flyer in your driveway?
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 3/7/16 at 11:44 am to
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What is the LP?

Louisiana's Paradise
Posted by Artie Rome
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Posted on 3/7/16 at 11:47 am to
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What is the LP


Livingston Parish. Denham Springs and the surrounding suck holes.
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Posted on 3/7/16 at 11:50 am to
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I said i've never seen them.


Well I have. Once in 40 years. And they were in LP protesting a fair at the front gates with their robes and hoods. So maybe they aren't heavy in LP, but I have only seen them once, and it happens to be where you live.
Posted by KG6
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Posted on 3/7/16 at 11:53 am to
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add things to salvation when the scripture is clear


Add things when the scripture is clear??? The whole thing was written by third parties, sometimes decades or hundreds of years after the events took place. Every word in the Bible was "added" by someone. That would be like you writing down the history of WWII right now, but only being able to go off of stories you gather from people and not being able to go to the library and do real research. In my opinion, taking the Bible word for word is a rough road to head down.

Posted by Artie Rome
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Posted on 3/7/16 at 11:58 am to
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In my opinion, taking the Bible word for word is a rough road to head down.


Your opinion is reasonable. However, there are certain principles of the Bible and every other religious text that are not debatable. "Be a good person." I'm not saying you don't agree, I'm just just saying if we all lived by this simple rule we would be okay.
Posted by KG6
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Posted on 3/7/16 at 12:07 pm to
Exactly. I'm not saying there's no value in the Bible at all. I just think people take it as if God himself handed the book over to the people and the words are infallible. We fail to remember that it's a thirds party account of events written down years after the fact.

And I am adamantly against many things in the Old Testament, but that's a totally different discussion.

I think (even most of the Old Testament) the Bible is a source of knowledge on how we are supposed to live good lives at it's base, and I, like everyone else, am probably on my own journey to figure out what it means to me. But I will never be a person that says "well it says blah blah blah in the Bible so it must be true".
Posted by vettegc
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Posted on 3/7/16 at 12:19 pm to
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No, the OT does NOT have Jesus all over it. This is simply false. Isaiah 53, the suffering servant, was never contemplated as the messiah. Christians applied it retroactively after Jesus was killed.


He was wounded for our transgressions. He was bruised for our iniquities.

You would have to be blinded to not see Jesus here! In chapter 52 it says his visage was marred more than any other man.

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Never once is Jesus mentioned. Not once. You might get an Immanuel here or there, or a story verse that when read out of context seems to apply to Jesus, but nothing direct. For being the messiah, of such utmost importance, remarkably little is said in the OT. There's a good reason Jews didn't recognize Jesus as the messiah--Bc centuries of prophesies and traditions said nothing about a messiah who would be killed.



That is what I said. They were blinded. The whole sacrificial lambs all point to the eventual crucifixion of Jesus Christ. Abraham and Isaac,etc

just look at Psalm 22.
Posted by vettegc
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Posted on 3/7/16 at 12:27 pm to
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Bc Jesus did good works. Recall the whole "when I was hungry, you gave me food..." story.


Do not get me wrong, I am not arguing that we should do good works. But that will not get you to Heaven.

Your family cant buy your way to Heaven either. That is what I see that Catholics have added to salvation. You work your way from the cross not to it.
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 3/7/16 at 12:54 pm to
I'm not arguing any of it. I'm atheist. I'm just saying, that's my understanding of why good works is required by some sects. Bc Jesus did good works and told his disciples the lesson of he who clothed me when I was naked, etc.

And I also think Paul was referring to doing works of the law--meaning Mosaic law--rather than simply "doing unto others..."
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 3/7/16 at 12:56 pm to
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Your family cant buy your way to Heaven either. That is what I see that Catholics have added to salvation. You work your way from the cross not to it.

Indulgences were a perversion and have long been discontinued. No Catholic believes in that BS anymore. Luther was right to rail against that nonsense.
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Posted on 3/7/16 at 12:56 pm to
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I'm atheist.


Posted by biglego
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Posted on 3/7/16 at 1:13 pm to
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was wounded for our transgressions. He was bruised for our iniquities. You would have to be blinded to not see Jesus here! In chapter 52 it says his visage was marred more than any other man.

Fair enough. I've read it and I know what it says. I'm blinded.
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just look at Psalm 22

I know Psalm 22. It's one of the handful of passages out of the enormous OT that is cited by Christians.
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 3/7/16 at 1:16 pm to
And I only mentioned it Bc the guy thought I was arguing a theological point.
Posted by vettegc
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Posted on 3/7/16 at 1:43 pm to
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And the King James Bible was definitely molded out of what the protestants felt the Bible should reflect. They dropped books from the Bible (which I personally don't care about especially when it's Old Testament). But when you say you are more "true" to the Bible, but change the Bible, it's a moot point.


Actually you are wrong. It was based on what the Jewish canon said should be in the Bible. Here is a good link

LINK

Posted by OweO
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Posted on 3/7/16 at 1:46 pm to
LP is a heavy Baptist area, its pretty much a satellite parish of North La. Seriously, I remember reading something as to why its that way, but I forgot the reason.. I just know it didn't just happen that way.
Posted by KG6
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Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:18 pm to
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Actually you are wrong. It was based on what the Jewish canon said should be in the Bible. Here is a good link


Jewish versions originally included those books, but retroactively decided to remove them (I also believe it was only versions not originally written in Hebrew), I believe they also rejected the entire New Testament at this time as well. The King James version followed suit. This is all people after the fact deciding what should and shouldn't be in the book. I think it's funny to equate what should be in the Bible by referring to a religion that believes half of the book you worship is blasphemy.

I'm not at all trying to argue the Catholic version is better or "right". I'm merely pointing out the inadequacies in trying to say one religion is right and one isn't. Could you imagine today if the church got together and had a closed door convention and just said, "we don't believe this anymore."??? I mean, I guess I actually can and that's why I am not that religious.
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