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re: South LA is a Catholic Heavy Area...Besides the LP. Why so?

Posted on 3/6/16 at 11:02 pm to
Posted by PrideofTheSEC
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 3/6/16 at 11:02 pm to
Same reason the kkk was so prominent in that area along with St. Helena parish. It's just a lot more standard southern protestants rather than louisiana catholics.
Posted by vettegc
Livingston
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Posted on 3/6/16 at 11:04 pm to
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Scriptures? The Catholic Church gave us the bible. Typology can help you understand the bible better. Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant. The OT's Ark had the Law, the Staff, and Manana. Anyone unworthy to touch the Ark was struck dead. In the NT Mary had the Word, The High Priest, and The Bread of Life. I guess being Full of Grace is quite literally sinless and a perfect vessel fit for The Son of Man riding on the cloud who seated at the right hand of the Father.


If Mary was sinless, she would not need a Savior.
Luke 1:47 she said "And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Savior."
This post was edited on 3/6/16 at 11:23 pm
Posted by RonBurgundy
Whale's Vagina(San Diego)
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Posted on 3/6/16 at 11:12 pm to
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It's just hearing her beliefs and knowing the Bible, some of it is bad doctrine.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
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Posted on 3/6/16 at 11:42 pm to
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She was not sinless and she was not a perpetual virgin. Where this comes from, idk. Jesus's brothers and sisters are mentioned in the scriptures

Mary being a virgin is based on a passage from Isaiah, although it's not clear if that passage was saying "young woman" as opposed to "virgin." Then the church decided Mary became a temple maiden (or something like that) and as such took a vow of abstinence, and that the other children mentioned were Joseph's kids and not hers (half siblings of Jesus).

I think that's the gist.
Posted by vettegc
Livingston
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Posted on 3/6/16 at 11:49 pm to
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Mary being a virgin is based on a passage from Isaiah, although it's not clear if that passage was saying "young woman" as opposed to "virgin." Then the church decided Mary became a temple maiden (or something like that) and as such took a vow of abstinence, and that the other children mentioned were Joseph's kids and not hers (half siblings of Jesus).

I think that's the gist.


I am not arguing whether she was a virgin when she conceived Jesus. That I believe very much. The virgin birth was necessary so that He would not inherent man's sinful blood. But why would Mary get married if she was going to be a virgin forever? In the verse I mentioned earlier it said she brought forth her 1st born son. Doesn't that indicate she had others later? Why can't we just take the simple explanation and not assume that Joseph had kids with someone else or that it was Jesus's cousins?
This post was edited on 3/7/16 at 12:10 am
Posted by CelticDog
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Posted on 3/6/16 at 11:52 pm to
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I have never understood the insecurity that Baptists and Pentecostals have in regards to Catholics.

1. its not insecurity
2. TD posters are not allowed to explain the original basis of the issues. the explanation would offend true believers.

Posted by tigeruniverse
new orleans
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Posted on 3/7/16 at 12:23 am to
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If Mary was sinless, she would not need a Savior.


Full of grace means without sin which also means no original sin. Her Savior saved her from the stain of original sin.

btw, there is no word for cousin in Hebrew. Brother could mean blood brother or cousin.
This post was edited on 3/7/16 at 12:25 am
Posted by vettegc
Livingston
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Posted on 3/7/16 at 12:32 am to
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Full of grace means without sin which also means no original sin. Her Savior saved her from the stain of original sin.

btw, there is no word for cousin in Hebrew. Brother could mean blood brother or cousin.



1. Did you not see my comment about Jesus being her firstborn?

2. Mary received grace just like all believers.
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, (Rom 3:23)
Posted by tigeruniverse
new orleans
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Posted on 3/7/16 at 1:16 am to
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2. Mary received grace just like all believers.
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, (Rom 3:23)


It's late so I'll leave you this link. God Bless
LINK

Posted by vettegc
Livingston
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Posted on 3/7/16 at 1:28 am to
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It's late so I'll leave you this link. God Bless
LINK




Can't say I agree with the reasoning here. I believe "All have sinned" means "All", not just some. Jesus is God so he is covered already. I could go further but your right its late.

But good debate Bud. God bless you too!
This post was edited on 3/7/16 at 1:30 am
Posted by The First Cut
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 3/7/16 at 5:45 am to
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South LA was settled by the French, Spanish, Germans, Irish and Italians. These people were mostly catholic


Martin Luther and the Protestant Reformation were from Germany. The Germans converted very early on. You're mostly correct on the other nationalities, especially the Spanish influence. A major tenant of the Spanish Conquest was to spread Catholicism after they finally won their nation back from the Muslims in the final (and only successful) Crusade.
Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 3/7/16 at 5:59 am to
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Catholicism is very inaccurate Biblically


Protestant religions didn't start until 1500 years after the death of Jesus. Many Books of the Bible themselves were written hundreds of years after his death. Then a king came along and made his version of the Bible hand picking what he thought should be in it. But you were raised protestant, so there's no way the Catholic version of beliefs could be as legitimate as yours .

I was raised Catholic, but think all religions are quite a bit off. Especially in Martin Luther's times, the church was probably corrupt. But it irks me to hear any protestant act holier than thou (especially southern). I absolutely hated seeing the damn free speech alley protesters with their kids out there knowing that they are teaching them that what you learn in college is bad, you don't need no book learnin, Jesus is the answer (and I realize all protestants aren't like these loons).

So although I don't prescribe to any religion, I will stand by Catholicism over protestant religions. Mostly because the Church is actually more accepting of change and understanding (for example it doesn't take the hard stand against evolution....at least not exactly)
Posted by drunkenpunkin
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
7662 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 6:52 am to
I am with you. Grew up Catholic and am still Catholic by faith, but I don't practice. A "non-denominational" lady (term used loosely) I work with constantly makes comments about Catholicism, the pope, and my beliefs. Her dad is a "preacher" who created his own church where he apparently preaches the ugly side of Christianity and all manner of his owned skewed thoughts. It's not even a religion, just a belief system created by aome loony old man. But, she mad. She popped off about the pope when he was visiting with, "My daddy says..." I said, "The pope is the father of the Catholic church and followed by 2 billion people. How many people even suffer through one sermon given by your daddy?" She shut up. But, a lot of Protestants seem butt hurt over the Catholic church, and I don't really get it.
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 3/7/16 at 7:03 am to
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I am Catholic too and I have never understood the insecurity that Baptists and Pentecostals have in regards to Catholics.

Maybe we don't want daygo grease getting on our nice clothes?
Posted by meauxjeaux2
watson
Member since Oct 2007
60283 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 7:31 am to
you are pretty strange dude. Immaculate Conception church in Denham Springs has a pretty large congregation.




Posted by meauxjeaux2
watson
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Posted on 3/7/16 at 7:31 am to
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Same reason the kkk was so prominent in that area along with St. Helena parish. It's just a lot more standard southern protestants rather than louisiana catholics.
i have never seen a KKK member or meeting in the LP.

Ever
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
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Posted on 3/7/16 at 7:32 am to
They have a lot of 4th degree Knights.
Posted by The First Cut
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 3/7/16 at 7:32 am to
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Protestant religions didn't start until 1500 years after the death of Jesus. Many Books of the Bible themselves were written hundreds of years after his death. Then a king came along and made his version of the Bible hand picking what he thought should be in it. But you were raised protestant, so there's no way the Catholic version of beliefs could be as legitimate as yours


The Protestant Reformation grew out of the Catholic Church and the goal was not to start another church, but to correct the ills of the Catholic Church. Martin Luther was a Catholic priest and monk. He was the first to have the Bible translated, not to "hand pick" anything, but to allow laypeople to be able to read the Bible. The Catholic Church mandated that the Bible be written only in Latin so that common people could not read it.

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I was raised Catholic, but think all religions are quite a bit off. Especially in Martin Luther's times, the church was probably corrupt. But it irks me to hear any protestant act holier than thou (especially southern). I absolutely hated seeing the damn free speech alley protesters with their kids out there knowing that they are teaching them that what you learn in college is bad, you don't need no book learnin, Jesus is the answer (and I realize all protestants aren't like these loons).


The Catholic Church has a rich and colorful history of corruption. The Investiture Controversy, The Crusades, but it was the invention of purgatory and the selling of indulgences to avoid it that sparked the Reformation. Suggesting that even a measureable percentage of protestants can be exemplified by the free speech alley protestors is akin to suggesting that all Catholics blow up abortion clinics. There are fringe groups in every subculture and fringe groups don't define any of them.

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So although I don't prescribe to any religion, I will stand by Catholicism over protestant religions. Mostly because the Church is actually more accepting of change and understanding (for example it doesn't take the hard stand against evolution....at least not exactly)


Catholicism holds on to many traditions and dogma that make no sense. No real denomination disavows evolution. Catholicism is behind in saying that may exist.

Posted by meauxjeaux2
watson
Member since Oct 2007
60283 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 7:35 am to
what's funny is when David Duke used to be the grand wizard of the KKK his headquarters were on South Stevendale RD. in Baton Rouge but the LP is KKK capital of the world.

Former KKK Headquarters location
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
62607 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 7:42 am to
Read a little history on the Florida Parishes. All of them are majority Protestant. Mainly it has to do with Scots-Irish and Anglo-Saxon ancestry settling in the area after the American Revolution. The area was pretty much a No Man's Land of bandits, murderes, thieves, deserters, and yeoman farmers. French Settlement, or example, was created when the Spanish Government realized the area was being overrun by non-Catholics and resettled French-speaking Catholics in that area.

ETA: Sam Hyde's book "Pistols and Politics" is an excellent history on this area.
This post was edited on 3/7/16 at 7:43 am
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