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re: Some people don't want to accept the data that shows the Covid impact hasn't been too bad
Posted on 4/17/20 at 9:12 am to msutiger
Posted on 4/17/20 at 9:12 am to msutiger
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You knew that was coming if the social distancing work.
If they had just isolated the at-risk population without shutting down the entire economy then the results would likely have been similar to where they are today.
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Posted on 4/17/20 at 9:13 am to SulphursFinest
quote:Unless you isolate completely, with no vaccine, no case is permanently mitigated. It’s simply delayed. That was the goal and purpose. Not to stop the spread, just slow it down to protect the healthcare system. We didn’t stop the people from dying who were going to eventually die from this. Again, only if you completely isolate with no chance at interaction with the virus would that work.
you also have to think that social distancing likely mitigated thousands of cases.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 9:14 am to SlowFlowPro
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Houston's advantages are (1) it wasn't a major urban, coastal area and (2) it's not as dense as NYC
I'm out. It's futile with you.
This post was edited on 4/17/20 at 9:15 am
Posted on 4/17/20 at 9:15 am to GetCocky11
I see and hear that crap from people everyday. Had a neonatal nurse try to tell me that their unit was overwhelmed. They had two virus babies.
What I've come to conclude, all the doom-dayers are people who are at no financial risk. They are retirees on pensions and social security, a few nurses who are self-absorbed and are still working, stay at home moms (husband still working), and people on disability.
What I've come to conclude, all the doom-dayers are people who are at no financial risk. They are retirees on pensions and social security, a few nurses who are self-absorbed and are still working, stay at home moms (husband still working), and people on disability.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 9:15 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Because once entrenched in a position, most people would rather believe the delusion than the fact they were wrong.
There is psychological term for this and I forget what it is. It's usually applied to economics when a buyer overpays for an inferior product but rationalizes the purchase for illogical reasons. Or something like that.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 9:15 am to Mootsman
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If they had just isolated the at-risk population without shutting down the entire economy then the results would likely have been similar to where they are today.
Bingo. The lazy way is the way most administrators in States chose.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 9:15 am to GetCocky11
The average number of reported deaths per day from the last 10 days is 2,372 in the US. If we continued at that rate we'd end up over 850,000 deaths for a year. The CDC lists the leading causes of deaths in the US as:
quote:
Heart disease: 647,457
Cancer: 599,108
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383
Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404
Diabetes: 83,564
Influenza and Pneumonia: 55,672
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis: 50,633
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173
Posted on 4/17/20 at 9:15 am to GetCocky11
200,000 people have died so far
Without the Safer at Home orders this number would be close to 1,000,000 and would probably top 2,000.000 by the end of 2020.
Get your head out of your arse junior
Without the Safer at Home orders this number would be close to 1,000,000 and would probably top 2,000.000 by the end of 2020.
Get your head out of your arse junior
Posted on 4/17/20 at 9:15 am to AmosMosesAndTwins
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If you ignore all the bad parts, it’s not bad.
If you ignore black people over the age of 60 with diabetes or kidney disease it’s not bad at all.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 9:16 am to GetCocky11
Perhaps the lower numbers are confirmation that the shutdown worked.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 9:17 am to SulphursFinest
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I get what you’re saying, but you also have to think that social distancing likely mitigated thousands of cases.
We will never know how bad it could have been or if it wouldn’t have been bad at all. It’s all opinion.
You mean it could have been as bad as Sweden?
No shutdown. Rates are the same as hours. Their economy isn't wrecked.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 9:17 am to The Torch
quote:146k actually. Why lie?
200,000 people have died so far
Posted on 4/17/20 at 9:17 am to CharlesLSU
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I'm out. It's futile with you.
bro, "coastal" means Atlantic/Pacific coasts
this ain't a rap song. nobody is referencing the dirty third coast in a serious discussion
Posted on 4/17/20 at 9:18 am to The Torch
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Without the Safer at Home orders this number would be close to 1,000,000 and would probably top 2,000.000 by the end of 2020.
holy fricking shite
Posted on 4/17/20 at 9:18 am to The Torch
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200,000 people have died so far
33.300 deaths in the US.
147,337 deaths in the world.
As of this minute.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 9:18 am to SlowFlowPro
Manipulation works. We know this.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 9:18 am to GumboPot
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There is psychological term for this and I forget what it is. It's usually applied to economics when a buyer overpays for an inferior product but rationalizes the purchase for illogical reasons. Or something like that.
Yes, and can't remember off the top of my head. In Econ there's the Cadillac effect but it's related to luxury items. I can't temember the psychological term for this phenomenon though.
It's fascinating to see.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 9:19 am to GetCocky11
Part of the reason it hasn’t been bad is because of the measures we have taken. Your reaction is precisely what Trump said was the reason why he didn't nip this in the bud in January: he didn’t want people thinking he overreacted. Effectively, he admitted that he allowed this disease to get worse because of politics and people like yourself who can’t understand taking measures like this to safeguard our population. If we had done nothing, millions would be infected and hundreds of thousands would be dead, including people who were young and had no comorbidities, in part because of what Italy went through: massive overwhelming of the hospital system.
Now, I can understand an argument that the cure (I.e. the shelter in place laws) will ultimately be worse than the disease because it is killing the economy, which has huge tangential effects, including widespread depression, drug use, suicide, domestic violence, etc., nevermind the increased likelihood of obesity, Diabetes, heart disease, etc. But all this is because Trump was scared to admit to a problem that he new would exist at a large scale because he didn’t want his base to get upset with him for making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Case in point: this thread.
The worst part of it is that we have no fricking herd immunity because we have been sheltering in place, so when we go back to work, we’re going to see another spike.
Now, I can understand an argument that the cure (I.e. the shelter in place laws) will ultimately be worse than the disease because it is killing the economy, which has huge tangential effects, including widespread depression, drug use, suicide, domestic violence, etc., nevermind the increased likelihood of obesity, Diabetes, heart disease, etc. But all this is because Trump was scared to admit to a problem that he new would exist at a large scale because he didn’t want his base to get upset with him for making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Case in point: this thread.
The worst part of it is that we have no fricking herd immunity because we have been sheltering in place, so when we go back to work, we’re going to see another spike.
This post was edited on 4/17/20 at 9:20 am
Posted on 4/17/20 at 9:19 am to CharlesLSU
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imagine the flu with zero vaccine protection and no herd immunity.....why can't you people understand apples and oranges?
They lack the mental capacity to think beyond their subscribed beliefs. They are sheep and do as they are told.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 9:19 am to GetCocky11
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For example, in my area, people are screaming that hospitals are being overwhelmed. I point out that the hospital bed rate is around 50%. They don't care and keep on screaming.
Cool. You only need beds. No staff or anything else.
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