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re: Some of you pervs are screwed...

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Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 1/21/16 at 5:01 pm to
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Yeah here's some simple advice:

1. Don't go on the deep web. Tor browsers, etc. It's literally just a place for sickos who want to look at child porn, or for people to sell drugs.

2. Don't look at child porn.


Tada, your life is saved.


I'm not a computer guru, but I don't think it's that simple.

There was a case in NY where an attorney donated a computer to some charity and the charity did a check on the memory and some cp came up. They alerted the authorities and the attorney was arrested.

Well, it turns out that when they looked at the file, they could tell he never actually looked at it. It wasn't modified or anything. It was hidden in a picture he saved off the internet and got saved to his computer. I think they overturned the conviction, but that was after an appellate review of the case, which probably took years.
Posted by TH03
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Posted on 1/21/16 at 5:02 pm to
A car can be used to drive drunk or run over people. You wanna avoid cars because people can use them for illegal activity?

You're a fricking idiot.
Posted by X123F45
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Posted on 1/21/16 at 5:02 pm to
Sheep like being branded.
Posted by X123F45
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Posted on 1/21/16 at 5:03 pm to
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I'm the retarded one


Something we agree on.
Posted by Kcoyote
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Posted on 1/21/16 at 5:05 pm to
All of you "come at me bro I'm behind 13 proxies" bros are exactly the same.

This post was edited on 1/21/16 at 5:06 pm
Posted by John88
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Posted on 1/21/16 at 5:06 pm to
RIP to the O-T
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 1/21/16 at 5:06 pm to
quote:

All of you "come at me bro I'm behind 13 proxies" bros are exactly the same.



Not retarded?
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 1/21/16 at 5:07 pm to
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What are the possible motives for wanting to have that on your computer that AREN'T illegal.


Most of the content on the deep Web is not illegal.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 1/21/16 at 5:10 pm to
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Not really. The only way to access it is to have a Tor browser anyways, and just having a Tor browser is quasi-illegal. So it isn't really entrapment because the people accessing and downloading the files were already involved in illegal shite.

It would be more outrageous if the FBI was like, "Let's put a link out on facebook and go after anyone who clicks it". That's entrapment. This is just a sting.


Tell me about the particularity of a warrant that allows FBI servers to insert malicious code onto an unsuspecting user's computer.
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 1/21/16 at 5:10 pm to
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All of you "come at me bro I'm behind 13 proxies" bros are exactly the same


Not a gump who closely monitors the FBI's involvement in child porn websites?
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 1/21/16 at 5:11 pm to
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Tell me about the particularity of a warrant that allows FBI servers to insert malicious code onto an unsuspecting user's computer.



Just read about that. Yikes!
Posted by Kcoyote
Member since Jan 2012
12050 posts
Posted on 1/21/16 at 5:12 pm to
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Most of the content on the deep Web is not illegal.



Fair, but some certainly is. But wait, some is on the regular internet is as well right?

Absolutely.

Here's the thing though, and someone used the car analogy earlier.

If you have a regular car, you sure as shite can run over someone.

If you have a regular car that can turn invisible when you press a button, and has no VIN on it, you sure as shite can run over someone with the possibility of not getting caught.

Now what possible reason would you need for car #1 aside from car #2.
Posted by LSU fan 246
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Posted on 1/21/16 at 5:13 pm to
That's an awesome analogy.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80346 posts
Posted on 1/21/16 at 5:14 pm to
First they came for the child pornographers, but I wasn't a child pornographer so I stayed silent.

Next they came for the ...

Posted by GRTiger
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 1/21/16 at 5:14 pm to
Wouldn't it be similar to any other warrant? They would get approval to extract only the data needed to identify the owner based on specific actions taken in the site?

I offer this not to argue, but as a legit question for discussion. I'm out of my depth on warrants.
Posted by CptBengal
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 1/21/16 at 5:15 pm to
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Are yall serious?

You expect vice squad people to be effective if they can't bend the law when catching criminals.


lolz, at what point is there still a difference between the criminal and the criminal actions of the government?

Or are you a frick yeah! police boom! pew pew! moron?

Oh, it's Jones....yep.

They can catch these people without peddling kiddie porn.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 1/21/16 at 5:15 pm to
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80346 posts
Posted on 1/21/16 at 5:17 pm to
quote:

Michaud is arguing that his charges be dismissed on grounds that the government’s use of the tool violated the Fourth Amendment. Fieman argues that some people might have gone to the site seeking to express fantasies, which while repugnant, are legal. The site, he said, doesn’t clearly advertise itself as devoted to child pornogaphy.

He likened the government’s warrant to a “general warrant,” referring to the British practice during the colonial era of allowing government searches without any individualized suspicion.

The judge in Michaud’s case is scheduled on Friday to hear several motions that could result in the dismissal of charges against him.

“This is a gray area in the law,” said Thomas Brown, a former federal prosecutor in the Southern District of New York who handled cases involving the use of hacking techniques. “It’s another instance where you’ve got technology outstripping the law.”

Fieman also said that rules established by the federal courts, grounded in constitutional principles, require that a warrant be deployed in the district in which it is issued — in this case, the Eastern District of Virginia. Michaud’s computer was in Vancouver.


LINK
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 1/21/16 at 5:18 pm to
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Or are you a frick yeah! police boom! pew pew! moron?

Oh, it's Jones....yep


Huh?

You have me pegged as some kind of police cheerleader that thinks the police do no wrong? Sorry but you're mistaken. I stay out of the police threads.
Posted by GRTiger
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Member since Dec 2008
63177 posts
Posted on 1/21/16 at 5:19 pm to
So while they may have had the ability to be specific (ie only trigger when specific files were accessed), they may not have. That last part about jurisdiction is also interesting. Especially since the suspect in that case is in another country.

Eta: I can see the defense saying this would be similar to a convenient store that is a known drug house being monitored and every person that enters being arrested for buying drugs.
This post was edited on 1/21/16 at 5:22 pm
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