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Posted on 9/13/19 at 4:03 pm to sacrathetic
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You're right.
But what most people miss in this discussion is that those TV shows like "Leave it to Beaver" and "Ozzie and Harriet" were intended to be "ideals" that we could all strive for. Similar to how Jesus is the ideal perfect man that we should all strive to be like. Those shows provided a guided light for our culture.
We no longer have that guiding light, and the effects are showing.
A TV show is your guiding light? Yikes.
Here's some news that might hurt: tv is scripted. Their lives are perfect because it's written that way.
Posted on 9/13/19 at 4:04 pm to Kafka
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and drug abuse
This is new?
This post was edited on 9/13/19 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 9/13/19 at 4:04 pm to RidiculousHype
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Dad does the masculine things
cutting the grass in dress slacks and a cardigan sweater
quote:
Mom does the feminine things.
Cleaning the house in a dress and high heels.
I hear what you're saying but Leave it to Beaver was pretty unrealistic even then, just like Disney shows with smartass kids backsassing the grownups is unrealistic now.
Posted on 9/13/19 at 4:07 pm to The Spleen
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Thinking a TV show was a reflection of reality is insane.
Agreed, and I didn't mean the OP to sound that way. I know it's an idealized version of life in the 50's. Watching that show just got me to thinking about the bigger idea that society has changed a lot since the 50's, and none of the offered explanations seem totally fulfilling.
Posted on 9/13/19 at 4:08 pm to RidiculousHype
To answer the OP's question, I think technology has evolved to give men and women pretty much equal opportunities in regards to earning money, therefore the traditional family is not a necessity to women as it was before. Men aren't making money by doing 'masculine' things anymore like they did in the past.
Posted on 9/13/19 at 4:11 pm to hubertcumberdale
Except welders
Posted on 9/13/19 at 4:11 pm to RidiculousHype
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society has changed a lot since the 50's, and none of the offered explanations seem totally fulfilling.
I think the easiest explanation is it's just part of the passing of time and humans evolving. Society in the 1950's was quite different than it was in the 1900's, though likely not as drastic as the changes from the 1950's to today.
Posted on 9/13/19 at 4:12 pm to Jim Rockford
quote:Groucho Marx was complaining about this sort of thing in tne '50s
shows with smartass kids backsassing the grownups is unrealistic now.
Posted on 9/13/19 at 4:12 pm to Jim Rockford
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Except welders
I know women welders
Posted on 9/13/19 at 4:15 pm to Kafka
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Groucho Marx was complaining about this sort of thing in tne '50s
Posted on 9/13/19 at 4:15 pm to RidiculousHype
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roles which were pretty much the same for thousands of years.
This is just patently incorrect. Thousands of years ago up to about 150 years ago most children were likely raised by a group of people, the father was probably not very involved at all other than making sure they have food and shelter.
This post was edited on 9/13/19 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 9/13/19 at 4:16 pm to RidiculousHype
Cannabis 
Posted on 9/13/19 at 4:18 pm to Kafka
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Groucho Marx was complaining about this sort of thing in tne '50s
People were complaining about this in Rome with Scipio Africanus’s generation in the 200’s BC. Then again with Caesars generation around 100 B.C. And probably much earlier, basically always throughout history
ETA: See Socrates post above
This post was edited on 9/13/19 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 9/13/19 at 4:19 pm to northshorebamaman
Did Socrates complain about plays with child characters spouting brilliant witticisms?
In other words, your reply has nothing to do with my specific post (though it may be relevant to other posts in the thread)
In other words, your reply has nothing to do with my specific post (though it may be relevant to other posts in the thread)
Posted on 9/13/19 at 4:21 pm to The Spleen
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I think the easiest explanation is it's just part of the passing of time and humans evolving.
Right, it just seems to me that the role of each family member in the 1950's was pretty much the same as it was in the Middle Ages, on down to Ancient Greece and who knows how far back. Then it's like a switch was flipped in 1960 and those roles were discarded.
Technology is usually the first culprit, but we've had the printing press, the industrial revolution, the cotton gin, and so on. It just seems like a quick and easy answer when maybe there's more to it..
Posted on 9/13/19 at 4:22 pm to RidiculousHype
quote:the invention of white male guilt
Technology is usually the first culprit, but we've had the printing press, the industrial revolution, the cotton gin, and so on. It just seems like a quick and easy answer when maybe there's more to it..
Posted on 9/13/19 at 4:24 pm to Kafka
quote:That was covered under "respect for elders". I think it applies even if he didn't say "respect for elders, specifically in the realm of entertainment".
Did Socrates complain about plays with child characters spouting brilliant witticisms?
Posted on 9/13/19 at 4:28 pm to RidiculousHype
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Right, it just seems to me that the role of each family member in the 1950's was pretty much the same as it was in the Middle Ages, on down to Ancient Greece and who knows how far back.
See that’s just an incorrect view of civilizations throughout history. In Ancient Greece for example, depending on which city-State you lived in your father may have had very little to do with your actual childhood, especially if you were a girl.
Posted on 9/13/19 at 4:34 pm to notiger1997
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Too many people read doom and gloom and see all the crappy stuff on social media and think that is all that society is about.
Did you watch the Democratic debate last night?
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