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re: so POS Hitler survived WW11 after all

Posted on 12/16/15 at 8:31 pm to
Posted by Cooter Davenport
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Posted on 12/16/15 at 8:31 pm to
One of the first pages you'll get if you Google the phrase "telephone bridge" is a link to one of those books Google has scanned in where you can view the actual pages. Anyway, it's a book on forensic dentistry and the link takes you directly to a page with diagrams of Hitler's dental work and pictures of the jawbone the Russians have. Hitler had a unique collection of bizarre dental work. His mouth was kind of a freakshow.
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Posted by Oyster
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Posted on 12/16/15 at 8:35 pm to
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Watching this show, I was really starting to wonder if he had escaped. But reading this thread and understanding details, not anymore.


That show had me wondering too, that's why I spent early Sunday morning doing a bit of research. I still find the show interesting as it may not have been Hilter but a bunch of his buddies were definitely there.
Posted by Festus
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Posted on 12/16/15 at 8:39 pm to
It looks like there was a pretty detailed Nazi underground railroad that was used by some higher ups.
Posted by Diver
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Posted on 12/16/15 at 8:39 pm to
I think he married Eva knowing he would stage their deaths and used her to make it seem more plausible.
Posted by Oyster
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Posted on 12/16/15 at 8:42 pm to
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One of the first pages you'll get if you Google the phrase "telephone bridge" is a link to one of those books Google has scanned in where you can view the actual pages. Anyway, it's a book on forensic dentistry and the link takes you directly to a page with diagrams of Hitler's dental work and pictures of the jawbone the Russians have. Hitler had a unique collection of bizarre dental work. His mouth was kind of a freakshow.


That's exactly why I feel it would be impossible to pull off a body double. Hitler had some really unique things happening in his mouth. The dude had to be in constant dental pain.
Probably why he was a narcotic addict.

It would be interesting to study his dental health issues , dental neglect, dental treatment, dental pain meds etc and its effect on his overall behavior.
Posted by Rebel
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Posted on 12/16/15 at 8:44 pm to
The Cavity Creeps hate circumcised penisis.
Posted by bamafan1001
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Posted on 12/16/15 at 8:48 pm to
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WestCoastAg


A laughyface isnt an argument.
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 12/16/15 at 8:49 pm to
I dunno about "buddies". The guys who escaped to Argentina were upper mid level guys. Even Eichmann was just a Lt. Colonel. He gets a deserved bad rap but he was just carring out the organizational mechaniations needed to fulfill what Heydrich, who was a big time figure, wanted. The top echelon was all captured or found as a dead body with the exception of Bormann whose body wasn't uncovered until the '70s where it was found near a railway station by construction workers and genetically confirmed as his in the late '90s. Joseph Mengele, Walter Kutschmann, Josef Schwammberger, Eduard Roschmann and Wilfred Von Oven and the rest are famous names now but they weren't party leadership or Hitler's inner circle.
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 12/16/15 at 8:55 pm to
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but a bunch of his buddies were definitely there
No doubt about that. Joseph Mengele died of old age down there. Eichmann was captured by the Mossad there.
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
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Posted on 12/16/15 at 8:56 pm to
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A laughyface isnt an argument.

In his defense, it was a pretty laughable statement.
Posted by Oyster
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Posted on 12/16/15 at 8:58 pm to
Didn't realize these "nazi sensations"weren't upper echelon nazi. Thanks for the info.

As an interesting aside. Bormann had the same dentist as Hitler and Eva. This dentist's allied debriefing was used for the initial identification of Bormann. Which further validates his credibility on the Hitler dental info.
This post was edited on 12/16/15 at 9:00 pm
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 12/16/15 at 9:21 pm to
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A laughyface isnt an argument
so you are just going over all of the posts I made describing how stupid it is to actually think he got to Argentina?
Posted by Kcrad
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Posted on 12/16/15 at 9:28 pm to
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For the record, OP also is on record stating that there are Satanic cults and "upper class" pedophile rings rampant in Mississippi. Where do you people come from?




He makes MS look bad.

WOW!
Posted by Kcrad
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Posted on 12/16/15 at 9:30 pm to
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quote:
A laughyface isnt an argument
so you are just going over all of the posts I made describing how stupid it is to actually think he got to Argentina?





Probably not.

Some of OP's posts deserved nothing more than a emoticon.
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 12/17/15 at 12:38 pm to
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but a bunch of his buddies were definitely there



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No doubt about that. Joseph Mengele died of old age down there. Eichmann was captured by the Mossad there.


This exemplifies one of my many issues with that show. They give you the impression that the guys who fled to Argentina were Hitler's close associates or high leadership. They were't.

Neither of those guys even knew Hitler. I don't know if Eichmann ever so much as shook his hand or stood in the same room. Mangele never did.

Mengele was just a Captain. He wasn't in charge of a camp, much less in charge of Auschwitz. He was chief physician of the Gypsy sub-section of the Birkenau sub-section of Auschwitz. Not an important person in the grand scheme of things.

Eichmann, for all he's built up to be (and he did terrible things, I'm not arguing guilt or innocence or culpability or lack thereof - he was guilty of terrible things, just not as powerful politically or important as he's made out to be) was merely a Lt. Colonel. He organized the Wannsee conference on behalf of Heydrich and then operated thereafter as sort of the Chief Quartermaster of the Final Solution. Eichmann did not make policy, but acted in an operational capacity. All specific orders came from Himmler. He made sure the trains ran on time, kept track of equipment, and supervised the writing of operations manuals, basically. He pushed and pulled the day-to-day levers of the operation, but wasn't ultimately in charge of decision-making. Again, not a really high level guy - connected for sure - he was Heydrich's lieutenant and took orders later from Himmler, but he wasn't an associate of Hitler's. Again, we're talking about someone who wasn't even their equivalent of a full Colonel, much less a General or a party boss.

The show WANTS you to think these guys were bigger in the grand scheme than they were because then it seems more plausible that Hitler would have followed them there. In actuality, these were well-connected upper-mid level guys who shared in a conspiracy to flee and live on, partially because they weren't even THAT loyal to the leadership in the first place. These were not dudes who hung out at the Eagles Nest playing with the fuhrer's dog. In fact, all of THOSE guys were killed or captured. Contrary to the impression the show wants to give you, the senior guys actually didn't escape.
This post was edited on 12/17/15 at 12:42 pm
Posted by sullivanct19a
Florida
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Posted on 12/17/15 at 12:52 pm to
You guys know that Saddam learned a lot about doubles from Hitler right? Have the same surgeries, dental work, scars, everything.

All the same medicine Hitler needed, in same packaging, Nazi coins, and so forth, found in places in Argentina. Witnesses that say Hitler was at the monastery in Spain, U-boats off the coast of Argentina - but those mean nothing. However, witness saying Hitler was dead in the bunker is everything?

The connections between Hitler and others become less important when you realize there was a pro-Nazi network throughout that region of Argentina. Would they refuse to support anyone from Nazi party? Doubtful. Would they go to great lengths to accommodate the arrival of someone like Hitler? Certainly.

There's no concrete proof of him dying in the bunker or making it to Argentina. With suggestions of both however, the truth probably rests in the middle with him plotting escape and meeting his fate at some point in between.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 12/17/15 at 1:00 pm to
I've watched 20 minutes of one episode. I have no opinion as to the validity of the claim. The fact remains, however, that no matter how high you or others rank them, many Nazi officials escaped to S. America.

It's a fact.

Posted by choupiquesushi
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Posted on 12/17/15 at 1:04 pm to
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not even going to get into this but no, hitler did not escape to argentina and this is easily one of the worst conspiracys of all time


He did escape. Did you watch the show? There's almost no reason to think he died in Germany after watching that show.


does the show prove he escaped and was in argentina?
Posted by ninthward
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Member since May 2007
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Posted on 12/17/15 at 1:34 pm to
One fact is the skull in Russia is from a young female, too young to be that of Eva Braun. The show does not or will not prove that he made it to SA, but it is very plausible, and if a lowly LTCol can make it, certainly Hitler can.
Also the body the Russians found was proven to be a body double as it was 2in smaller that Hitler.
Posted by Oyster
North Shore
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 12/17/15 at 8:45 pm to
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You guys know that Saddam learned a lot about doubles from Hitler right? Have the same surgeries, dental work, scars, everything.


You can possibly duplicate numbers of teeth, fillings, crowns and bridge work. You can't however duplicate the dental work. Dental work is very individualizde and artistic in its very nature. You could never fool a forensic odontologist with a created dental double.
Believe what you want but it's is a scientific fact that Hilter died and was partially cremated in Berlin.


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One fact is the skull in Russia is from a young female, too young to be that of Eva Braun. The show does not or will not prove that he made it to SA, but it is very plausible, and if a lowly LTCol can make it, certainly Hitler can. Also the body the Russians found was proven to be a body double as it was 2in smaller that Hitler.


The skull cap is totally irrelevant when the Russians had his jaws and bridge work that matched his premortum radiographs that were held by the allies.
You realize his body had been partially cremated that would make any comparison in height subjective at best.


Hunting Hilter is a very entertaining show. However, it is based on a very biased premise.
This post was edited on 12/17/15 at 8:52 pm
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