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re: So I have a job interview next week. (Day one is in the books page 4)

Posted on 10/17/14 at 5:04 pm to
Posted by ZacAttack
The Land Mass
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 10/17/14 at 5:04 pm to
I always send a follow up email. Usually just to thank them for flying me out and interviewing me. It's a pretty significant expense for these schools.

I have the PhD but no extension experience, but then again I am a recent graduate. I guess I'm like the guy you didn't hire. Although, my personality is pretty good and everybody seems to not hate me during the interviews. In my other interviews everybody seemed pretty relaxed and like they were at least enjoying themselves. I guess I'll just have to do my best and see what happens.




Posted by HarryBalzack
Member since Oct 2012
16357 posts
Posted on 10/17/14 at 5:16 pm to
The MA didn't have college-level experience, either, short of being a TA while in grad school.

Don't loose hope. I was there once, too. I will tell you that for the first two years, I worked teaching high school, which wasn't what I wanted to do, but the experience I gained there is what helped me land the job at the university, so keep plugging away at it and make the most out of whatever you're dealt. That sounds like shite advice today, but ten years from now it probably won't, in retrospect.
Posted by ZacAttack
The Land Mass
Member since Oct 2012
6416 posts
Posted on 10/17/14 at 5:20 pm to
At this point I wish I could get any job and just get a few years under my belt, but all those I've applied to have said I'm over qualified. The only interviews I've gotten are for professor positions, and they tell me I need more experience. It's a rough cycle, but hey my feet hit the floor in the morning, so life ain't bad.
Posted by HarryBalzack
Member since Oct 2012
16357 posts
Posted on 10/17/14 at 5:29 pm to
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all those I've applied to have said I'm over qualified. The only interviews I've gotten are for professor positions, and they tell me I need more experience
I know that feeling. At first, I tried to find any job outside of academia.

I was offered a job with the DIA, but it didn't work out. Kind of glad about that, now. I got to the last round on a management position with CarMax, but was sunk by a guy who kept saying, "you have a PhD, why don't want to be a professor?" I took a job working as a private investigator, which I thought would be awesome at first because I could use the research skills to track down folks, but it turned out to be just sitting in front of the house of some dude on disability, waiting on him to come out and do something abled so I could record video of it. I'd taught middle school before going to grad school, so thought I'd fall back on teaching school as a last resort (wife was pregnant, so I had to find something). Worked at a private prep school. It was awesome and restored my faith in teaching and equipped me with a skill that made me valuable to the university level.

To be honest, I wouldn't mention the PhD to anyone unless the ask. The average yahoo weirds out about it.
Posted by ZacAttack
The Land Mass
Member since Oct 2012
6416 posts
Posted on 10/17/14 at 5:32 pm to
If I don't mention the PhD, how do I explain the 3 years I spent working on it plus the 2 years for a post doc? It's a pretty big gap.
Posted by ProjectP2294
West St. Louis County
Member since May 2007
78651 posts
Posted on 10/17/14 at 5:34 pm to
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Besides being confident and bringing my A game, what else should I do during the interview.


I wore a light gray suit to the interview for the job I have now. It was a new suit that I got relatively cheap, but I felt like I looked damned good in it. The confidence I got from feeling like I looked good carried through the interview and I think helped me get the job.
Posted by HarryBalzack
Member since Oct 2012
16357 posts
Posted on 10/17/14 at 5:40 pm to
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If I don't mention the PhD, how do I explain the 3 years I spent working on it plus the 2 years for a post doc? It's a pretty big gap.
They know you have one. I mean, I assume they read your resume. Just don't stress it and if they (other than the student) try to call you "Dr.," say, "Zac, please." Seriously, the only people I insist call me "Dr." are the students. You wouldn't believe how much street cred that gives me with the staff and office people, especially when there's some pompous EDD type around.
This post was edited on 10/17/14 at 5:41 pm
Posted by DWaginHTown
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2006
10204 posts
Posted on 10/17/14 at 5:47 pm to
I have a chicken costume you can borrow.
Posted by N2cars
Member since Feb 2008
39645 posts
Posted on 10/17/14 at 5:48 pm to
OP, reread Harry's post. Learn it and know it.

Good luck.
Posted by ZacAttack
The Land Mass
Member since Oct 2012
6416 posts
Posted on 10/17/14 at 5:49 pm to
Oh, well that's what I normally do. Nobody calls me Dr. Zac, I really only tell people I'm a doctor when I'm trying to pick up women. Being in agriculture most farmers look down on people who flaunt their PHD and other degrees. So, I learned quickly to just introduce myself as Zac, like you said they know I have a PhD and if they don't, it doesn't really matter. I can't stand people who make others call them Dr so and so.

What is your area? Mostly I'm curious as to how you know all this interview info, or have you just been doing this a while?

Posted by HarryBalzack
Member since Oct 2012
16357 posts
Posted on 10/17/14 at 6:06 pm to
My job is in the College of Arts & Sciences at an SEC school and that's as specific as I get on here, . I am exceptionally fortunate to have this job. I really do live the life of Riley.

As to experience, I've been involved in hiring committees just about everywhere I've been: from search committees to being asked by the boss to "find a reason" not to hire someone (it was easy, he went to an unaccredited college for undergrad). My wife worked in the Career Center at an SEC school for a while and works with placement in engineering, now, at the same school: about 150 different HR departments all across the US. My father-in-law was a division head for a paper company and then a corporate coach. He gave me all kinds of helpful pointers along the way when I was looking for a job, too.

I also work a side job, saving up money for a down payment on building the dream house, at a local manufacturer, doing pre-employment stuff: interviews, assessments, evaluations, etc. It's completely blue collar, but I enjoy it and the interaction with the production HR types gives you a lot of perspective on the big picture behind hiring - costs, future trends, regulation, etc. (the threat of a union is a job KILLER here, for example). Kind of like you, no one who met me on the street would probably guess that I'm an academic.
Posted by N2cars
Member since Feb 2008
39645 posts
Posted on 10/17/14 at 6:10 pm to
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no one who met me on the street would probably guess that I'm an academic.


You should stop wearing the "Hilter Youth" t-shirt and cover the tats.



When you start on the dream house, shoot me an email. Maybe I can save you some pain.
Posted by goatman1419
Prairieville,LA
Member since Jan 2007
3070 posts
Posted on 10/17/14 at 6:13 pm to
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Explain how this happens?


BINGO. Prolly the "I'm waiting for the perfect job while I bum off my parents" type. Your laziness to not find a job in over a year will keep you from being hired. If I was an employer I'd laugh in your lazy face.
Posted by ZacAttack
The Land Mass
Member since Oct 2012
6416 posts
Posted on 10/17/14 at 6:14 pm to
Damn. I think I'll print all your posts and read them during the flight.
Posted by HarryBalzack
Member since Oct 2012
16357 posts
Posted on 10/17/14 at 6:21 pm to
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When you start on the dream house, shoot me an email. Maybe I can save you some pain.
Thanks man, will do. Probably about three years out. We already own the land. Just want to get a good stash on the down payment. Don't want to have to work until I'm 70 just to pay a mortgage.
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I think I'll print all your posts and read them during the flight.
LOL, don't bet the farm on me, man. Good luck
Posted by ZacAttack
The Land Mass
Member since Oct 2012
6416 posts
Posted on 10/17/14 at 6:25 pm to
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don't bet the farm on me


I need something to do for 10 hours, I can't spend the whole time going over my presentation, I'll get nervous if I do that.
Posted by DthVllyDud
Ameritopia
Member since Jan 2011
1365 posts
Posted on 10/17/14 at 6:29 pm to
Chew gum during the interview

Don't bring anything to write with or write on

Don't ask any questions

Don't do any research about the company ahead of time

Only speak in third person

Make heavy use of filler words like: "you know", "like", an "um"

When they ask you a question make start to start your response with saying "honestly" first, this lets them know they can trust what is about to follow

Show up a few minutes late, lets them know you aren't too desperate

If the persons name can be shortens or go by a different name, go for it they will think of you as a friend. Example: Christopher - call him Chris, Richard - call him Dick

If your being interviewed by a woman, tell her she looks nice and make sure to look at her chest
Posted by Chillini
Member since Sep 2012
3153 posts
Posted on 10/17/14 at 7:02 pm to
Don't take tips from GeauxZone90.

Real advice: Be confident and make eye contact.
Posted by ZacAttack
The Land Mass
Member since Oct 2012
6416 posts
Posted on 10/20/14 at 7:31 pm to
Just finished day 1, not too bad. Only one blisteringly hard question, that I had no idea what to say.
Posted by Spankum
The Sip
Member since Jan 2007
62260 posts
Posted on 10/20/14 at 7:54 pm to
good to hear, man....how long do you expect the interview process to last?...
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