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re: So DA George Barnhill had the same video in possession since the day of the Arbery murder
Posted on 5/7/20 at 7:27 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 5/7/20 at 7:27 pm to RollTide1987
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Either way...this is an incident that could have been easily avoided and I think it's obvious to anyone with common sense that Arbery didn't deserve to die over something like this.
Yet you think the video doesn't bolster any side...
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Posted on 5/7/20 at 7:27 pm to fallguy_1978
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Recordings of similar incidents are often inaccurate portrayals of the entire event and do not tell the whole story.
I made this point yesterday. While this is true, what plausible chain of events prior to the recording would justify this action?
I came up empty.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 7:28 pm to Philzilla2k
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They were just arrested
Good
Posted on 5/7/20 at 7:29 pm to RollTide1987
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Instead he charged the driver and attempted to take his gun away. Hence why we see them wrestling for control of it the next time we see them on camera.
That is an incomprehensible way to frame two guys with guns who are confronting you on a road they blocked. My Lord.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 7:34 pm to Antonio Moss
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I made this point yesterday. While this is true, what plausible chain of events prior to the recording would justify this action?
I came up empty.
I haven't followed this story and just watched the video about 10 minutes ago for the first time. I just have a few questions about the incident.
What caused the guy that filmed to start recording some guy jogging? He knew something was up like he saw a previous confrontation.
Did the jogger already have a run in with these two further up the road since they were waiting on him? He obviously did not know they were armed or didn't think they'd do anything.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 7:34 pm to RollTide1987
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That doesn't matter. George Zimmerman did the same thing and he was found not guilty on the grounds of self-defense.
Law in Florida is different than in Georgia. Shocker, I know.
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(a) A person is justified in threatening or using force against another when and to the extent that he or she reasonably believes that such threat or force is necessary to defend himself or herself or a third person against such other's imminent use of unlawful force; however, except as provided in Code Section 16-3-23 , a person is justified in using force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily injury to himself or herself or a third person or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
(b) A person is not justified in using force under the circumstances specified in subsection (a) of this Code section if he:
(1) Initially provokes the use of force against himself with the intent to use such force as an excuse to inflict bodily harm upon the assailant;
(2) Is attempting to commit, committing, or fleeing after the commission or attempted commission of a felony; or
(3) Was the aggressor or was engaged in a combat by agreement unless he withdraws from the encounter and effectively communicates to such other person his intent to do so and the other, notwithstanding, continues or threatens to continue the use of unlawful force.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 7:34 pm to RollTide1987
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The driver was already out of the vehicle when Arbery reached the truck.
No he wasn’t. The driver didn’t come out of the cab until Arbery was on the passenger side of the truck.
I screenshotted in the other thread.
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Instead he charged the driver and attempted to take his gun away. Hence why we see them wrestling for control of it the next time we see them on camera.
No. The driver got out of the truck and attempted to intercept him with gun in hand at the front of the truck, that’s when the first shot was fired.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 7:36 pm to fallguy_1978
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What caused the guy that filmed to start recording some guy jogging? He knew something was up like he saw a previous confrontation.
He was a friend of the murders. They had called him to tell him they were going after him.
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Did the jogger already have a run in with these two further up the road since they were waiting on him? He obviously did not know they were armed or didn't think they'd do anything.
An article referenced that they had blocked him in one direction and he turned and ran the other way and they got in front and blocked him again.
I'm not sure where that came from.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 7:37 pm to slackster
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Law in Florida is different than in Georgia. Shocker, I know.
Facts are completely different as well.
Zimemrman was not waiting for Martin, guns drawn, when Martin attacked.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 7:40 pm to Antonio Moss
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He was a friend of the murders. They had called him to tell him they were going after him.
Gotcha. That makes a bit more sense.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 7:46 pm to Antonio Moss
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Facts are completely different as well.
Zimemrman was not waiting for Martin, guns drawn, when Martin attacked.
Correct, and Florida has outs for the aggressor:
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776.041 Use or threatened use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2) Initially provokes the use or threatened use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a) Such force or threat of force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use or threatened use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use or threatened use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use or threatened use of force.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 7:48 pm to slackster
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Correct, and Florida has outs for the aggressor:
Zimmerman would never have been considered the aggressor anyway.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 7:49 pm to slackster
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Yet you think the video doesn't bolster any side...
I don't believe it shows anything other than two men getting into a fight. One ended up dying, the other had a gun. That doesn't equate to cold blooded murder but it could easily be manslaughter.
I just read where the two men involved in the shooting were arrested and charged. Let the courts decide this and let the chips fall where they may.
I have always remained consistent with innocent until proven guilty. This video alone doesn't prove murder or manslaughter. That's why it should be taken to a jury to decide innocence or guilt. That way they can see ALL the evidence and not just a shaky cell phone video.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 7:49 pm to Antonio Moss
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Zimmerman would never have been considered the aggressor anyway.
Just pointing out that FL had multiple ways for Zimmerman to claim justifiable use of force. GA has none for these two.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 7:52 pm to Antonio Moss
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Aggressors cannot claim self-defense.
This is a very general statement and not entirely true.
Nothing anybody did was against the law (stupid maybe) until a gun was pointed at someone else.
I don’t know when or why the gun was pointed at the deceased and then the trigger pulled but that is the heart of the matter.
If the deceased was the aggressor (armed or not) then this is a different scenario much as the DA reported.
There is more to this story and I would like to see the other video for sure.
If the brothers were just on racist hunt ready to commit murder why did the shooting take place at close range?
Posted on 5/7/20 at 7:59 pm to michael corleone
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If this isn’t prosecuted you will have complete anarchy with every Karen in a HOA running around her hood trying to arrest people with a .38.
Karen will be outgunned.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 8:00 pm to RollTide1987
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So was the guy with the shotgun.
Nope
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There is nothing in this video that shows anything less than self-defense.
Bruh
This post was edited on 5/7/20 at 8:01 pm
Posted on 5/7/20 at 8:06 pm to JudgeHolden
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He tried to run around them.
Wouldn’t he have run around the right hand side of the truck if he was trying to run around him? I believe there was a guy on the left with a shotgun and then a guy in the bed of the truck. If you’re trying to run around them why go left?
I totally agree this video looks awful, but I believe we all have learned to wait for all the facts to come out before we throw the book at someone. Do people not remember the Nick Sandman video?
Posted on 5/7/20 at 8:07 pm to RollTide1987
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There is nothing in this video that shows anything less than self-defense.
If they just happened to have stopped in the middle of the road, armed, and this crazy jogger attacked the guy with the shotgun out of nowhere, you'd be right.
However, they were pursuing the guy and you learn in self-defense 101 that the instant you become the pursuer or if you initiate an altercation, your claim of self-defense goes out the window.
You're from Alabama, so I'll just chalk the obtuseness up to closely related ancestors.
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