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Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:00 am to Scooba
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Thanks, I assumed someone had reported on it.
no... but the assumption is if it's all .45 rounds... then they're all from Hayes
and if there's 13 or less spent casings... more than likely they're all his too (factory mag for a .45 holds 13 rounds IIRC)
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:02 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Which is why Smith should have done that the first time and 99% no one gets hurt.
According to the Smith's attorney, everyone in the Smith vehicle had a brief discussion that no damage could be seen and they left.
And the Shooter barely pulled off the road.
If the impact was so bad at the first accident, why didn't the guy taking out the garbage react?
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:04 am to Red Stick Tigress
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According to the Smith's attorney, everyone in the Smith vehicle had a brief discussion that no damage could be seen and they left.
That's not the standard. Damage or not, you pull the frick over.
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And the Shooter barely pulled off the road.
Seriously? This is a really really weak argument.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:04 am to Red Stick Tigress
quote:And that is bullshite. It was stupid for his attorney to say that. The video shows Smith take off way too fast for there to be any discussion over potential damage. It was a very stupid quote. The attorney also said they left because they were scared of the "military style Hummer"
According to the Smith's attorney, everyone in the Smith vehicle had a brief discussion that no damage could be seen and they left.
There is a reason attorneys were saying Smiths attorney hurt the DA
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:06 am to lsupride87
Yea that really didn't make sense. On on hand they believed nothing happened, but they were also terrified because the person they hit was pulling over? Da frick?
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:10 am to lsupride87
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And that is bullshite.
Agree.
No one does that.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:13 am to RB10
A couple questions/statements I have that I haven't seen answered:
1. Smith's car was equipped with collision avoidance to where it stops on its own if the car in front of you slams on its breaks. Since I can't really tell if contact was actually made I assume it wasn't based off that technology and based off the reaction of the bystander. Why would Hayes react like he did and cause a 3 car pile up?
2. Didn't Hayes force Smith into hitting the car in front of him? Was there not a person in this car? If there was this would obviously be the best witness.
3. The fact that he shot Smith's wife twice first is incredibly incriminating. This will be huge to the case unless they can somehow show she had a weapon on her. From what I've read the gun was still in the glove box which would rule this out.
4. Obviously since Hayes is a convicted criminal he had the gun illegally. Does this not have any impact on this case? Sometimes in drunk driving cases even if the drunk driver didn't cause the accident he still is responsible for all the damage because he was on the road illegally (if I'm remembering that correctly).
5. Have they looked to see if there were any surveillance cameras near there or are they just not releasing those videos?
1. Smith's car was equipped with collision avoidance to where it stops on its own if the car in front of you slams on its breaks. Since I can't really tell if contact was actually made I assume it wasn't based off that technology and based off the reaction of the bystander. Why would Hayes react like he did and cause a 3 car pile up?
2. Didn't Hayes force Smith into hitting the car in front of him? Was there not a person in this car? If there was this would obviously be the best witness.
3. The fact that he shot Smith's wife twice first is incredibly incriminating. This will be huge to the case unless they can somehow show she had a weapon on her. From what I've read the gun was still in the glove box which would rule this out.
4. Obviously since Hayes is a convicted criminal he had the gun illegally. Does this not have any impact on this case? Sometimes in drunk driving cases even if the drunk driver didn't cause the accident he still is responsible for all the damage because he was on the road illegally (if I'm remembering that correctly).
5. Have they looked to see if there were any surveillance cameras near there or are they just not releasing those videos?
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:15 am to Red Stick Tigress
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According to the Smith's attorney, everyone in the Smith vehicle had a brief discussion that no damage could be seen and they left.
Yeah here's how that conversation went.
"Honey you hit that car."
"So fricking what."
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:16 am to TitleistProV1X
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From what I've read the gun was still in the glove box which would rule this out
There is absolutely no information out there as to the exact location of the weapon. Anyone who says it was in the glove box at this point is talking out their arse. It may have been, but we do not know that.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:20 am to TitleistProV1X
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Smith's car was equipped with collision avoidance to where it stops on its own if the car in front of you slams on its breaks. Since I can't really tell if contact was actually made I assume it wasn't based off that technology and based off the reaction of the bystander. Why would Hayes react like he did and cause a 3 car pile up?
Thank you for bringing that up. Maybe someone familiar with it can comment on how reliable it is and if it's on one hundred percent of the time or can it be manually turned off. This is another potential game changer.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:24 am to bencoleman
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hank you for bringing that up. Maybe someone familiar with it can comment on how reliable it is and if it's on one hundred percent of the time or can it be manually turned off. This is another potential game chang
If they didn't hit why did Hayes try to pull over and why did Smith speed off around him? That was a pretty aggressive maneuver for magazine st.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:27 am to cahoots
Smith for sure ran into the back of Hayes vehicle. There is a video of debris falling of Hayes hummer.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:27 am to bencoleman
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Thank you for bringing that up. Maybe someone familiar with it can comment on how reliable it is and if it's on one hundred percent of the time or can it be manually turned off. This is another potential game changer.
From Mercedes:
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BAS® senses emergency braking via the speed at which the driver presses the brake pedal, and immediately applies maximum available power boost. By eliminating the delay caused by a common human tendency not to brake hard enough, soon enough, Brake Assist can potentially reduce the overall stopping distance. Letting up on the brake pedal releases BAS.
This is equipped on the G63. It sounds like it helps, but does not guarantee anything regarding stopping. It still relies on the human to react quick enough to the vehicle ahead.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:28 am to TitleistProV1X
quote:I dont think you know what that word means
The fact that he shot Smith's wife twice first is incredibly incriminating.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:31 am to TitleistProV1X
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Obviously since Hayes is a convicted criminal he had the gun illegally.
a misdemeaner?
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:32 am to cahoots
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didn't hit why did Hayes try to pull over and why did Smith speed off around him? That was a pretty aggressive maneuver for magazine st.
Everyone knows it was a hit and run, Smiths attorney has even stated this. A hit and run doesn't mean it is acceptable to put 8 rounds into somebody. I still want to know more about what happened after Hayes slammed Smith, but it sounds like Hayes is going away for life.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:32 am to TitleistProV1X
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The fact that he shot Smith's wife twice first is incredibly incriminating.
Defense could argue situational stress. Even trained police officers only hit the intended target around 30% of the time.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:37 am to lsupride87
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I dont think you know what that word means
This sentence has been on so many pages in this thread I find it comical.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:39 am to TitleistProV1X
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4. Obviously since Hayes is a convicted criminal he had the gun illegally. Does this not have any impact on this case? Sometimes in drunk driving cases even if the drunk driver didn't cause the accident he still is responsible for all the damage because he was on the road illegally (if I'm remembering that correctly).
I'm gonna keep saying it until it sinks in
Smith is a wife beater. Got off because he is famous
Hayes got caught with liquid codeine and because he was carrying a gun gets scrutinized.
One is a thug and one is a saint according to some on here. It's fricking stupid.
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