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re: Slave Reparations from Georgetown University
Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:08 pm to MontyFranklyn
Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:08 pm to MontyFranklyn
DM Monty. Give me a number.
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Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:09 pm to Walt OReilly
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They should absolutely be compensated
For what exactly?
Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:09 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Well lets see. The people that owned my family were able to buy lots of land, develop it and build a nice real estate company from it. They also have several other, very profitable, business interest throughout Alabama.
Your argument is that the ancestors of the people who once owned your ancestors have been successful, therefore their success can be directly attributed to their ancestors owning your ancestors? Do you not see the circular reasoning there?
Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:11 pm to Masterag
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Georgetown profited from the work and sale of their ancestors, who were never paid for their work. Considering that Georgetown is an institution which may not otherwise have survived, and not a person, I don't see anything wrong with their descendants wanting the compensation their ancestors never received.
So how are their descendants entitled to that compensation?
Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:11 pm to Pecker
I asked the same question but it got stuck at the bottom of the last page.
So let me get this right. It is your opinion that the great-great grandson of some farmer who subsequently built a successful real estate business should give you money because your great-great grandfather was a slave at the farm that eventually funded the current day company?
Is that the sum of it?
So let me get this right. It is your opinion that the great-great grandson of some farmer who subsequently built a successful real estate business should give you money because your great-great grandfather was a slave at the farm that eventually funded the current day company?
Is that the sum of it?
Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:14 pm to jbgleason
I guess I should sue the survivors of Robert Oppenheimer. I cut my knee in first grade during a duck and cover drill.
Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:14 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Well lets see. The people that owned my family were able to buy lots of land, develop it and build a nice real estate company from it. They also have several other, very profitable, business interest throughout Alabama.
So slavery to modern day real estate company huh?
Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:17 pm to MontyFranklyn
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So only blacks use government assistance? Aren't whites the primary user of government assistance by a very large number?
Aren't whites the majority population by a very large number? Like 62% of the US is white? Not very difficult for a greater number of people to have more people on government assistance than 13% of the population. The fact that we are even comparing the governmental assistance usage from a population of 13% to 62% is comical.Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:18 pm to jbgleason
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So let me get this right. It is your opinion that the great-great grandson of some farmer who subsequently built a successful real estate business should give you money because your great-great grandfather was a slave at the farm that eventually funded the current day company?
Is that the sum of it?
Seriously
Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:22 pm to SCLibertarian
quote:Yes, but the precedent of an entity taking ownership of doing something heinous and compensating the suffering party for said wrong doings.
Any reparations the U.S. government has paid has been established either by treaty, which requires the approval of the Senate, or by statute, which requires the approval of both houses of Congress. The courts cannot create a legal theory by which to pay descendants of slaves.
Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:22 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Aren't whites the primary user of government assistance by a very large number?
The welfare statistics below represent anyone who receives any of the following government subsidies:
– Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), better known as food stamps
– Housing assistance
– Supplemental Security Income (SSI)
– Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF), or cash benefits
This does exclude medicaid, medicare, and social security which is where the numbers see a large increase in white/Caucasian numbers. Even then though the numbers do not equate to anywhere close to the population as a whole.
Welfare Demographics Percent Total Number
Percent of welfare recipients who are white / caucasian 16.8 % 11,405,000
Percent of welfare recipients who are black 39.6 % 26,884,000
Percent of welfare recipients who are Hispanic 21.2 % 14,392,000
Percent of welfare recipients who are Asian or Pacific Islander 18 % 12,220,000
Percent of welfare recipients who are Other / Mixed 4.4 % 2,987,000
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Sources: US Department of Health and Human Services, U.S. Department of Commerce, CATO Institute
The data you are referring to usually excludes some numbers to skew the numbers or looks solely at one table, for instance the total number of SNAP beneficiaries are roughly 40% white and 30% AA, but the dollars distributed by the program are closer to 30% for both ethnicities. When reading articles from any source with a clearly defined bias, always research their sources and see how they came to the consensus they did. CNN, Fox News, Huff Post, etc. are a wealth of knowledge when it comes to opening eyes to data and sources that can help you make a truly informed opinion. Don't be lazy and simply take the writers opinion of "eye opening" numbers, chase the sources and find your own opinion.
Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:24 pm to SCLibertarian
Yes, this is the exact same thing slaves had to go through. The same exact thing.
Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:26 pm to Masterag
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never paid for their work
Maybe its because they were fricking SLAVES, which was 100% legal at the time.
Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:27 pm to Pecker
quote:Well, the profits that they obtained from slavery allowed them to acquire more and more land. They also built buildings form the profits shortly there after slavery. These monies have been passed down several generations and were the basis for the foundation of wealthy that they hold today.
Your argument is that the ancestors of the people who once owned your ancestors have been successful, therefore their success can be directly attributed to their ancestors owning your ancestors? Do you not see the circular reasoning there?
Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:27 pm to jbgleason
GU doing better than the US Govt.
Trump should take the hint that the other 44 didn't
Trump should take the hint that the other 44 didn't
Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:28 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Well, the profits that they obtained from slavery allowed them to acquire more and more land. They also built buildings form the profits shortly there after slavery. These monies have been passed down several generations and were the basis for the foundation of wealthy that they hold today.
There's no question that blacks have been historically discriminated against, from slavery to Jim Crow. Jim Crow was ended in the 60's. The Civil rights Act was passed in 1964. It's now 2017.
No one is denying that slavery was a bad thing and hurt a lot of people. The problem is when you use historical wrongs to justify present day compensation, with the underlying idea that present day struggles can be attributed to the historical atrocities of slavery and the lack of compensation to the ancestors of those affected.
A more relevant conversation about poverty in the black community would involve discussing the cultural aspects that were not present in previous generations that have a direct correlation to poverty. None of those cultural aspects having anything to do with slavery, making it difficult to use slavery to justify compensation to the ancestors of slaves.
It's a slippery slope trying to tie present day struggles to historical wrongdoings. How far back should you be able to go, and at what point do those wrongdoings have no clear affect on the ancestors of those who were wronged?
This post was edited on 3/23/17 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:29 pm to jbgleason
Give that man his money 
This post was edited on 3/23/17 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:29 pm to SCLibertarian
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When it comes to public opinion, Georgetown would do itself far more harm if it settled with these people. The overwhelming majority of people in this country find the idea of reparations to be ludicrous, especially considering the number of impoverished European immigrants who came to this country after slavery was abolished and yet managed to pull themselves out of poverty within 2 or 3 generations.
Euros that blended into the white majority within a generation or two. Euros that weren't stripped now of their culture and families. Euros that weren't rape, terrorized, maimed, murdered and consistently marginalized.
You're just flat out wrong. I'll stop the beating before it gets worse
Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:30 pm to StrongSafety
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GU doing better than the US Govt.
Trump should take the hint that the other 44 didn't
You can't has my money
Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:32 pm to Pecker
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There's no question that blacks have been historically discriminated against, from slavery to Jim Crow. Jim Crow was ended in the 60's. The Civil rights Act was passed in 1964. It's now 2017.
You missed crack cocaine, the industrial prison complex and a horde of other racist people that used institutions legally gutted of explicitly racist policies to institute implicitly racist policies.
That's been the last 50+ years.
Y'all act as if racist stopped being racist and started following the law in 1964. That's just a morally incomprehensble falsehood.
Fake news!
Sad!
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