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re: Should YOU even be allowed to have children? (eugenics discussion)

Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:31 am to
Posted by TheCaterpillar
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:31 am to
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Just because someone's great great grandparents never had the opportunity to learn to read and write doesn't mean that they shouldn't be allowed to have children.



I agree.

However if they are on welfare they should not be given more welfare because they had kids. Its extremely common for welfare recipients to have multiple kids for the sole reason of getting more government money and benefits.
This post was edited on 12/28/15 at 11:32 am
Posted by GRTiger
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:32 am to
Which part of your test ensures that there will be any appreciable amount of "beautiful" people?
Posted by TheCaterpillar
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:33 am to
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surrounded by smart and/or beautiful people.


What does a subjective thing like beauty have to do with this?

I thought you were all about intelligence and physical strength?


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You will also get a free Carnival cruise for each child.



Carnival would go out of business without all the trashy people reproducing and having 50 person reunions with matching t-shirts on their boats.
Posted by dnm3305
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:34 am to
Although this would be morally wrong, it would fix ALOT of the problems of today. This would have a similar impact that the legalization of abortion had on crime rates going down in the early 00's when compared to the late 80's- early 90's.
This post was edited on 12/28/15 at 11:38 am
Posted by TheCaterpillar
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:35 am to
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This would have a similar impact that the legalization of abortion had on crime rates going down in the early 00's from when compared to the late 80's- early 90's.



That shite rustles OT religion jimmies, but its such a cool correlation and makes a ton of sense.

Posted by Pecker
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:36 am to
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Yes, I realize your convoluted description meant one, the other, or both as the "3" groups. It's actually an either/or scenario, since you wouldn't need to take the second test if you passed the first.

Your way of determining who has the IQ standard met tells me you probably don't.


There are actually 3 tests, assuming you pass the first (a psychological health test), you would then continue to the 2nd and 3rd test. I'll assume the first part was understood.

But of course you would need to take the second test if you passed the first. You would need to be evaluated with regard to both standards (physical ability and aptitude) in the event that you choose to reproduce with someone who meets none of the requirements. You would then need to meet both standards in order to reproduce with someone who meets neither.

Your ability to comprehend these requirements, leads me to believe that you wouldn't need to worry about having more than one child under these conditions.
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:36 am to
Where's the part where we nuke all of the inferior countries?

They need to just give me millions of dollars, hook up some tubes to my wang and suck out as much of my nutter butter as they can. Humanity would be glad they did.
Posted by Pecker
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:38 am to
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Which part of your test ensures that there will be any appreciable amount of "beautiful" people?

There is a correlation between physical ability and attractiveness.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:39 am to
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They need to just give me millions of dollars, hook up some tubes to my wang and suck out as much of my nutter butter as they can. Humanity would be glad they did.



They need to do this with Bo Jackson's juice fertilizing the smartest female Olympic athlete's eggs and make a freak army.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:39 am to
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And birth control is insanely cheap. Just give it and plan B (which is concentrated birth control) to anyone that wants it. Set up store fronts all over the place and give it away anonymously to women.



I'd do better than that: Anyone who wishes to be sterilized will receive 20K from Uncle Sam. I don't care about your background whatsoever, but it would save the tax payers billions due to short term rewards on getting sterilized.
This post was edited on 12/28/15 at 11:41 am
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:39 am to
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They need to do this with Bo Jackson's juice fertilizing the smartest female Olympic athlete's eggs and make a freak army.


I would vote for that.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:39 am to
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There is a correlation between physical ability and attractiveness.



Please post some evidence about that, I'm genuinely intrigued.

Posted by SpqrTiger
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:40 am to
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Unless you think more unintelligent people within the gene pool will result in more geniuses?


No. Smart people fricking smart people creates smart people. But you're going to get the same kind of smart, over and over.

Smart people fricking dumb people also creates smart people, with dumb people, too. But the combinations are wider and more varied, and can result in some incredible people as well.

Dumb people fricking dumb people creates dumb people. With the same kind of dumb, over and over.

The moral of the story: you got to bang some hood rats, bro.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:41 am to
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They need to do this with Bo Jackson's juice fertilizing the smartest female Olympic athlete's eggs and make a freak army.


I would vote for that.



I'm thinking a female Stanford swimmer or something like that. Make sure they get some swimming genes (racist joke!) and some Stanford intelligence genes.
Posted by Pecker
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:43 am to
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What does a subjective thing like beauty have to do with this?


Physical attractiveness can be explained scientifically with the golden ratio for facial make-up, as well as other tests for facial symmetry. There are also body proportions in men and women that have been scientifically linked to physical attractiveness (waist-to-chest ratio, waist-to-hip ratio, etc).
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:44 am to
They may not be super smart as a Stanford female clone would be, but an army of Bo Jackson/Serena Williams clones would be the GOAT.
Posted by Jcorye1
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:44 am to
Eugenics is farther than I would ever go.
Posted by GRTiger
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:45 am to
Why would anyone with high intelligence and high physical abilities breed with someone with neither?

It's an either/or scenario, unless you wish to mate with a stupid AND unfit partner. Is that better? For someone who conflates words such as "any," "both," and "either" in his op, you sure have high standards for others being more clear in their words.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:46 am to
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Physical attractiveness can be explained scientifically with the golden ratio for facial make-up, as well as other tests for facial symmetry.



Still doesn't help physical ability or intelligence. There are millions of fricking dumb and unathletic beautiful people.

If you're talking physical fitness or mental aptitude as the two main criteria, those don't have anything to do with facial symmetry or body proportions.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:48 am to
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They need to do this with Bo Jackson's juice fertilizing the smartest female Olympic athlete's eggs and make a freak army.


The Russians already tried this with the secret humanzee project. Theoretically, the super soldiers would grow beyond our control. You can't just have physical attributes. You need extremely high intelligence as well.

Think Khan from Star Trek.
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