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re: Shooting at church in white settlement,TX

Posted on 12/29/19 at 7:03 pm to
Posted by ugastreaker
South Ga
Member since Jun 2015
4638 posts
Posted on 12/29/19 at 7:03 pm to
If all the armed folks in that room shot, many of their friends and family would have been shot by friendly fire. Very few on the video looked “comfortable/ prepared” in that situation. And they all came into the equation after the killer was down. Lots of crossfire and friendly flagging. But they still acted...and that’s how this crap stops. But training is THE key.
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
25348 posts
Posted on 12/29/19 at 7:13 pm to
He subdued him with a single head shot.

Threat neutralized
Posted by Philzilla2k
Member since Oct 2017
12433 posts
Posted on 12/29/19 at 7:18 pm to
quote:

He subdued him with a single head shot.

Threat neutralized

lot of failure in that room though
second guy that got shot struggled drawing his weapon
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 12/29/19 at 7:32 pm to
quote:

He subdued him with a single head shot.

Threat neutralized


Yeah, that dude's off button got pushed HARD. That shot at that distance on a target moving laterally to the shooter was a HELL of a shot.
This post was edited on 12/29/19 at 7:34 pm
Posted by MikeAV8s
Member since Oct 2016
2242 posts
Posted on 12/29/19 at 7:39 pm to
I agree, but I think if it’s used as an opportune to learn rather than an opportunity to criticize then it’s a win.
Posted by Ted2010
Member since Oct 2010
38958 posts
Posted on 12/29/19 at 8:05 pm to
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haven’t seen that reported, but his reaction, mechanics, and delivery suggests he had top tier training and was ready for this encounter.


I read that in one of the articles about him being former FBI. I’ll see if I can find it
Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
20055 posts
Posted on 12/29/19 at 8:06 pm to
quote:

old school churches


Probably another reason the shooter thought it’d be a soft target. Just shows that old people are smarter than younger people regarding guns. I’d guess that a higher percentage of older people carry than young people.
Posted by Ted2010
Member since Oct 2010
38958 posts
Posted on 12/29/19 at 8:07 pm to
Here it is:

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According to the witness, another church member — identified as a former FBI agent and part of the church’s security — shot the suspect.

LINK
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30041 posts
Posted on 12/29/19 at 8:18 pm to
I have a feeling security was clocking him since I read this:

quote:

Update 3:48 p.m. EST Dec. 29: In the livestream video from Sunday morning service, a man believed to be the shooter stands up when the congregation greets each other, shakes hands and leaves the building, KXAS reported.

The man re-entered the church and sat down, the television station reported. After standing up, the man pulls out a firearm and begins shooting, KXAS reported.



After the Sutherland Springs shooting in 2017 TX passed some legislation:

quote:

A law went into effect in September 2017 that allows churches to hire armed guards. Handgun owners also are allowed to bring firearms into the church as long as the church allows it, and a law passed earlier this year required churches to give notice to their congregations if they want to ban guns.


This is the most complete coverage I have seen in one place:

Dallas Morning News
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
44981 posts
Posted on 12/29/19 at 8:43 pm to
Ole baw made an impressive shot. Hand guns are typically good to about 10 yds.
Posted by terd ferguson
Darren Wilson Fan Club President
Member since Aug 2007
113960 posts
Posted on 12/29/19 at 8:52 pm to
That dude is a badass. When the first shot went off and everyone ducked he turned and drew down... that man saved lives.
Posted by TDsngumbo
Member since Oct 2011
49238 posts
Posted on 12/29/19 at 9:09 pm to
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I take it the 2 dead are the first guy and the gunman? The first guy dropped immediately. Hell of a shot to kill the gunman

He was dead as he fell. Look at the video again, you can see the spray of blood from that poor man get blasted onto the wall to his left. A split second later he falls.

Damn that was hard to see. Poor guy was just at church probably had plans to go get something to eat afterwards.
Posted by TACTAF
If you got one you'll see it
Member since Sep 2011
58 posts
Posted on 12/29/19 at 9:44 pm to
Yes he is gone.
A great friend of mine
Rest In Peace Rich.
Find us some pheasants
Posted by TDsngumbo
Member since Oct 2011
49238 posts
Posted on 12/29/19 at 9:45 pm to
Damn man I’m sorry for your loss.
Posted by SPEEDY
2005 Tiger Smack Poster of the Year
Member since Dec 2003
87197 posts
Posted on 12/29/19 at 9:47 pm to
Has the suspect been publicly identified yet?
Posted by TACTAF
If you got one you'll see it
Member since Sep 2011
58 posts
Posted on 12/29/19 at 9:54 pm to
Thank you
Posted by AU4real35
Member since Jan 2014
16065 posts
Posted on 12/29/19 at 10:54 pm to
I don’t usually RA people, but you should definitely get a break.
Posted by biscuitsngravy
Tejas, north America
Member since Jan 2011
3780 posts
Posted on 12/29/19 at 10:57 pm to
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Has the suspect been publicly identified yet?


Hopefully his name and face are never shown or mentioned. Shooters should stay anonymous
This post was edited on 12/29/19 at 10:58 pm
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
19270 posts
Posted on 12/29/19 at 11:03 pm to
quote:

Has the suspect been publicly identified yet?


Nope. Coulter rule is in full effect.
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
9621 posts
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:15 am to
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The FBI said Sunday evening that the gunman had been arrested in different jurisdictions but declined to go into detail about any charges he’d faced. Although the man had roots in the area, it appears he may have been transient.


This is about as much I have seen on him.

I also read that both church members died. For some reason I did not see that update and thought second member might still have a chance to survive.

quote:

MedStar spokeswoman Macara Trusty soon reported that the gunman and one of his victims had died at a hospital. The second victim was resuscitated after going into cardiac arrest on the way to a hospital, but authorities announced at an evening news conference that the person died later.
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