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SFPTOTD: how is working towards a solution not validating a woman's stress?
Posted on 6/18/18 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 6/18/18 at 7:50 pm
just to create a frame for this thread, i'll post some quotes from articles about the topic:
No, Really, It’s Not About the Nail
Stop Trying to Fix Things. Just Listen!
Validation or Solution?
but i legitimately have a simple question: if the "solver" is offering to solve, or work towards a solution to, a problem, how is that not validating or accepting the issue? implicit in trying to solve a problem is a validation of that problem, because if it didn't exist or wasn't worthy of discussion, then it would be ignored and certainly no energy would be put towards solving it
No, Really, It’s Not About the Nail
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It would be, except she’s not looking for a solution to the problem. What she is looking for is a supportive ear to listen to her issues, and to validate how frustrating they are. She is looking to get emotional support, and she’s not quite ready to take action on the nail in her head. Furthermore, by pushing the issue, he is actually pushing her into a more defensive and less flexible place with the nail.
Stop Trying to Fix Things. Just Listen!
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Although the video is a very funny play on this dilemma, it’s not entirely clear what the message is for viewers because, for some, the video clearly suggests that the man is correct, whereas for others they see the woman as correct. The video is called “It’s Not About The Nail” because the woman has a big nail sticking out of her head, her complaints are all related to the nail (e.g., “there’s pressure in my head, I can’t sleep, all my sweaters are snagged”), and every time he suggests that removing the nail would fix things, she says, “It’s not about the nail!” and gets angry at him for not listening to her.
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We all know how frustrating it can be to see a clear and obvious solution to a problem, to want to help someone fix it, and to have them not take our advice. We also all know how upsetting it can be to have someone not listen to our feelings, not validate our suffering, not just stop for a minute and take our perspective and let us know they understand.
Validation or Solution?
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When the woman in the video says “it’s not about the nail” we laugh because we think it absolutely is. But she’s not necessarily saying her experience isn’t about the nail, she’s saying the conversation isn’t about the nail. She is not seeking help, she is seeking validation.
We assume that she is presenting a problem and that her experience is the way we see it: that she is ignorant of the nail in her head and hasn’t tried removing it yet, or that she knows and just can’t make the connection. When the man offers his observation and suggested solution, he is not validating the way the woman feels, but trying to change her feelings to solve the problem. It is well-intentioned, of course. He wants her to be happier and feel better. But in the process, he’s not telling her that how she feels is understandable and okay. This lack of validation and acceptance creates emotional distance and dissatisfaction.
but i legitimately have a simple question: if the "solver" is offering to solve, or work towards a solution to, a problem, how is that not validating or accepting the issue? implicit in trying to solve a problem is a validation of that problem, because if it didn't exist or wasn't worthy of discussion, then it would be ignored and certainly no energy would be put towards solving it
Posted on 6/18/18 at 7:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
Women are stupid and I don't respect them.
I only just have sex with them.
I only just have sex with them.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 7:52 pm to Rouge
Paige will dismiss the question by dismissing the source (me), likely by saying "you would argue this"
Posted on 6/18/18 at 7:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
Women are cray. They love being cray. You can't change that. Trying to change that makes them more cray. Leant to just tune it out and nod your head.
It's not about the nail is something every single young man should watch alone. If you watch it with a woman, she'll tell you how stupid it is and then complain to you about the nail in her forehead.
This post was edited on 6/18/18 at 7:55 pm
Posted on 6/18/18 at 7:53 pm to TigerRagAndrew
quote:
Still single eh?
no. other posters can confirm, also
Posted on 6/18/18 at 7:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:I know the ad hominem definition.
Paige will dismiss the question by dismissing the source (me), likely by saying "you would argue this"
Posted on 6/18/18 at 7:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
I like a good SFP thread but I ain't reading all that
Posted on 6/18/18 at 7:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
The requirement here is for us to know, but never ever understand, that the women usually don’t want their problems solved.
It took me until year 8 or so of marriage to figure this out.
It took me until year 8 or so of marriage to figure this out.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:00 pm to TigerRagAndrew
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women usually don’t want their problems solved.
this is completely irrational
and i'm not trying to say something generic like "women are irrational". i'm more asking why we accept "irrational" as the solution when there is a perfectly logical option that doesn't even negate the emotional-irrational needs (contrary to the poor arguments in those articles)
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
Women want to hear their opinion in a man's voice.
That's all.
That's all.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
but i legitimately have a simple question: if the "solver" is offering to solve, or work towards a solution to, a problem, how is that not validating or accepting the issue? implicit in trying to solve a problem is a validation of that problem, because if it didn't exist or wasn't worthy of discussion, then it would be ignored and certainly no energy would be put towards solving it
Are you insinuating that women have a natural inferiority complex, when it comes to normal interactions with men, that has been instilled through hundreds of thousands of years of relationship structure, being rapidly changed in a century?
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:02 pm to Graham Wellington Jr
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Are you insinuating that women have a natural inferiority complex, when it comes to normal interactions with men, that has been instilled through hundreds of thousands of years of relationship structure, being rapidly changed in a century?
no i am not
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
As one that has to fix things, that video is both funny and frustrating.
Just take the damn nail out of your forehead and you'll be okay
Just take the damn nail out of your forehead and you'll be okay
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
This post was edited on 6/18/18 at 8:10 pm
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
but i legitimately have a simple question: if the "solver" is offering to solve, or work towards a solution to, a problem, how is that not validating or accepting the issue? implicit in trying to solve a problem is a validation of that problem, because if it didn't exist or wasn't worthy of discussion, then it would be ignored and certainly no energy would be put towards solving it
I can accept others problems, doesn't mean I validate the legitmacy of it.
Sympathetic vs empathetic.
I usually let my SO work out why she's being a retard without full validation of it being a real problem, only one she's made up in her head.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:09 pm to Graham Wellington Jr
i don't know why you assumed that i inferred any "inferiority complex" or that "relationships" caused any of this evolution of the different sexes. pretty sure women have been having the same attempted emotional catharsis with the same emotional need for validation since at least the development of society
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i don't know why you assumed that i inferred any "inferiority complex" or that "relationships" caused any of this evolution of the different sexes. pretty sure women have been having the same attempted emotional catharsis with the same emotional need for validation since at least the development of society
I think that relationships between the sexes produces much of the need for validation. For example, we all know that women dress to upstage each other, and not necessarily for men, but the need to look good is originally rooted in mating.
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