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re: Secretary at Ouachita Junior High text racial slur to wrong person concerning MLK Day.

Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:35 am to
Posted by GhostofLesticleMiles
High Plains Drifter
Member since Sep 2019
1072 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:35 am to
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This might be the stupidest thing I've ever read on here.


Is it though?


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Language is incredibly complex, and to distill it down to "a jumble of sounds" isn't reality.


So do you think that the majority of the population has the same views as you or the majority possess very little to no emotional intelligence? I would be willing to bet that the majority dont take the same approach to linguistics as you do.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62139 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:35 am to
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Being a racist isn’t OK in my opinion.


What did she do that was racist?
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
132942 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:37 am to
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I suspect I could call you ugly or fat, and it wouldn't have an effect. That doesn't affect me either, I was called that almost everyday in grade school, I became immune to that along time ago.


Quite true. I had to develop thick skin.


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On the other hand, if someone were to make a disparaging remark about your wife, or maybe a deceased relative, you would likely be upset. If someone said a disparaging remark about your kids, you would probably be tempted to want to retaliate physically.


Very true, but that's more because it's in the context of the intention of causing mental anguish. And still you'd have to choose to allow yourself to be upset by it. It takes some mental fortitude to just shake that stuff off.

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The difference? They are still words. Words do have power, you do have the power to dictate how much power they have. But words do have power, imo.


Fair point. I suppose it's more an annoyance to how the uttering of one word (used every day by some people) is now used as a justification for violence, for destroying their life and livelihood. It's the feigned outrage at it.

I'm not a proponent of going around saying it at all. But you can't say it's fine for some (and that it's okay for those people to use any racial slur they choose) but the Absolute worst thing for another.




We should stop pretending like it as so much power, but then having people use it so nonchalantly. It can't be both
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
111902 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:37 am to
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
132942 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:40 am to
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Words don't exist in a vacuum. They serve to convey intent, meaning, belief, desires, ideas, etc.



It's about CONTEXT.

I present to you, Jabberwocky


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Language is incredibly complex, and to distill it down to "a jumble of sounds" isn't reality.


I'm just a simple farmer. Wouldn't know a thing about the complexity of language.

This post was edited on 1/17/23 at 11:10 am
Posted by Buryl
Member since Sep 2016
1018 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:40 am to
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So do you think that the majority of the population has the same views as you or the majority possess very little to no emotional intelligence? I would be willing to bet that the majority dont take the same approach to linguistics as you do.


You just proved my point. My comment was out of line and hyperbolic. It has real-world ramifications outside of the person I spoke (or typed) the words to.

You made a judgment on who I am based upon the language I used. It speaks to who you think I am as a person (you say I lack emotional intelligence). Why? These are just dots on a screen, right?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293053 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:45 am to
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Words don't exist in a vacuum. They serve to convey intent, meaning, belief, desires, ideas, etc


To the listener, which speaks volumes about the self control of the listener if theyre bothered by the way they interpret words.

If two white people say the N word with no minority in sight, is it an issue? .
Posted by TomballTiger
Htown
Member since Jan 2007
3970 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:46 am to
She fell into the old trap that the A on the end without the hard R isn’t rascist. But she got confused. Our education system is broken. Sigh
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464092 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:46 am to
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What did she do that was racist?

You think there is some manner in which calling MLK day N- day can be argued not to be racist?
Posted by TomJoadGhost
Alabama
Member since Nov 2022
1003 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:46 am to
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QJenk


All very well said. We all have the capacity to be offended by certain words used in certain contexts. We’ve seem to have lost the ability to have empathy for those that are offended.
Posted by AwesomeSauce
Das Boot
Member since May 2015
11140 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:47 am to
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So you would make assumptions and denigrate whole groups of people based on the actions of one? Isn't that the very definition of prejudice? How woke of you.


As someone who has spent a lot of time in that area and has family in the area, I can at least say hearing a 45+ yr old white woman from that area use that term for MLK day does not surprise me in the least.

Not saying these same people wouldn't and haven't given the shirt off their back for people of different races, only that that term for MLK day isn't unique to this woman from that areas vernacular.

Do you have ties to the area or just "crap4brain"?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464092 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:47 am to
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It's about CONTEXT.

Yes and the context in this example is clear, unless I'm coming in late and you're not talking about the words in OP anymore.
Posted by LNCHBOX
70448
Member since Jun 2009
88544 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:48 am to
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We’ve seem to have lost the ability to have empathy for those that are offended.


Probably because most of the outrage these days is selective and phony.
Posted by Buryl
Member since Sep 2016
1018 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:48 am to
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I'm just a simple farmer. Wouldn't know a thing about the complexity of language.


Possibly. But you know that words have meaning. And my comment was inconsiderate and rude. What you said wasn't stupid. You maybe didn't convey your idea well. My comment was to prove a point that words do have consequences, outside of being offensive. For example, multiple people are now arguing that words don't have meaning - why? Because I came off like an a-hole. They don't like me. I could say that it's Tuesday, and they would argue with me. Which was to prove my original point - words DO have meaning.
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
82996 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:49 am to
Jesus Christ, that lady has it coming for her

And then she tries to play it off by saying it wasn't meant for that person but for someone else
Posted by whatiknowsofar
hm?
Member since Nov 2010
25659 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:49 am to
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To the listener, which speaks volumes about the self control of the listener if theyre bothered by the way they interpret words.

If two white people say the N word with no minority in sight, is it an issue? .


I hope you stretched before these mental gymnastics your attempting to use to defend this lady


And yall never understand how H.R. and racial slurs in the workplace are handled.
This post was edited on 1/17/23 at 10:51 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464092 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:50 am to
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And then she tries to play it off by saying it wasn't meant for that person but for someone else

Sounds like the perfect response from a person so stupid she'd be an actual racist in 2023
Posted by TomJoadGhost
Alabama
Member since Nov 2022
1003 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:51 am to
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Probably because most of the outrage these days is selective and phony.


Yet here we have a pretty clear cut example of the n-word being used in a hateful manner and some people are downplaying it.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464092 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:51 am to
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Yet here we have a pretty clear cut example of the n-word being used in a hateful manner and some people are downplaying it.

Exactly.

I am one of this websites biggest attackers of fake racism.

This is real, 100% legit, Jim Crow-level racism. It's not up for debate.
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
82996 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:52 am to
Yeah it's the prime example of someone being actually racist and we still sit here and talk about why she can't openly say it bc others do
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