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re: Seattle libraries implement racial segregation in the name of social justice

Posted on 10/23/20 at 9:58 pm to
Posted by 3nOut
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 10/23/20 at 9:58 pm to
I strongly want to agree with that but most of the classic liberals I know these days are voting Trump. Or at least speaking strongly against the Democratic Party at this point.

I’m not saying anything nice about republicans. They suck. I want a third party.
Posted by OldmanBeasley
Charlotte
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 10/23/20 at 9:58 pm to
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I want a third party.


Join me on my quest to bring the Whig party back to prominence
Posted by 3nOut
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Jan 2013
30782 posts
Posted on 10/23/20 at 10:01 pm to
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Join me on my quest to bring the Whig party back to prominence


Let’s do it. I’d love it if Trump could branch off to form an America first party and see what that can turn to.

I’d be all over Libertarians if not for their abortion and immigration standpoints.
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43473 posts
Posted on 10/24/20 at 6:34 am to
There's a difference between wanting some socialist programs such as MFA and actually being down with marxism and communism. Much of the right seems to not understand that.. unless it's for large corporations.
Posted by Dawgholio
Bugtussle
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 10/24/20 at 6:36 am to
I’d sit in the color people section then flip out when they try to tell me I can’t identify as a person of color.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 10/24/20 at 6:37 am to
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Republicans and Conservatives don’t throw out communist, socialist, and Marxist as name calling all willy nilly.


I am pretty much in the middle. There are some things I am conservative on and some things I lean more towards the left on. Anytime someone post anything that is in support of something that takes a more left view then that person is called or considered a communist, socialist or marxist.

I look at things as if the goal is to meet in the middle, but that is what we are getting away from. Both sides want the extreme.
Posted by GreenRockTiger
vortex to the whirlpool of despair
Member since Jun 2020
53647 posts
Posted on 10/24/20 at 12:20 pm to
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left-of-center mind


Too many like this controlling libraries - irony is lefties are needed but it’s gotten out of hand

Libraries shouldn’t have to train librarians to give shots to ppl who are od-ing

Libraries should have stricter policies and rules, they shouldn’t have to provide things just bc some people can’t afford them

Libraries cannot save the world, that’s up to the patrons

If this trend continues - libraries need to hire nurses, EMTs, and social workers
Posted by RedPop4
Santiago de Compostela
Member since Jan 2005
14765 posts
Posted on 10/24/20 at 12:28 pm to
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There's a section of the Democratic party right now that are all of those things and you're right, but there is a much larger section that is not, yet those terms get tossed out to anyone who is brave enough to admit they're a Dem on TD.


So brave.
The Democrat platform and rhetoric seem to be Marxist to me. Conservatives, at least this one, tend NOT to throw that word around willy-nilly; but, words mean things. When you see all the tax raises, the Green New Deal, universal health-care still being bandied about, government control proposed for so many things, what ELSE could it be?

Where are all you benighted "moderate" Democrats to counter the extreme Left? You guys have the media stumping for you, as it is. Joe Biden is no moderate, there are no Dem. moderates in my sight. When everyone goes along with the extreme abortion rhetoric as the party's main policy goal, and with everything Schumer and Feinstein say and they are in line with so much the extremists are proposing and advocating (ugh, I said that word) what are we supposed to believe?
Posted by McVick
Member since Jan 2011
4577 posts
Posted on 10/24/20 at 4:00 pm to
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Too many like this controlling libraries - irony is lefties are needed but it’s gotten out of hand

Libraries shouldn’t have to train librarians to give shots to ppl who are od-ing

There's some things you listed I agree with, and some I don't. I agree libraries shouldn't have to train library staff how to administer Narcan or other overdose medication. However the reality is that there is an opioid epidemic in every part of America (cities/suburbs/rural, rich/poor, old/young) and the American public library system is designed to be open to everyone. I'd rather not have library staff encounter a patron experiencing an overdose, but until opioid overdoses no longer happen it'd be better to be prepared than ignore the situation. And yes I understand there's an argument to be made that if opioid abusers know they can be treated somewhere then the action continues, but I'd rather library staff choose to have Narcan training than be forced to participate or ignore it if opioid overdoses are a concern in the community.

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Libraries should have stricter policies and rules, they shouldn’t have to provide things just bc some people can’t afford them


In terms of policies and rules, usually those are agreed upon by the Library Director and a Board of Directors or School Board. If I didn't agree with rules or policies, or felt they were improperly spending money on things that aren't necessary I'd be voicing my concerns with the elected officials that oversee the direction of the library. Usually these elected officials relate more to citizen concerns than library administration.

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Libraries cannot save the world, that’s up to the patrons


Again, I agree with some of this but not enough to move me away from current operation of service. I agree libraries cannot save the world. But they can make the world of a difference to those that use them. I've seen my fair share of recent library school graduates have that idealistic passion where they can change the world, similar to new school teachers. Sometimes that passion fades after multiple negative encounters with public patrons, or the realization that a lack of money and resources will require more work than discussed in school, or it happens when they realize upward mobility in the profession is pretty limited. But I won't fault or criticize them for continuing to show up for work every day after the return to Earth happens. I think (or hope) we agree that library staff deal with things that they shouldn't need to like public masturbation, unwanted attention and stalking, signs of malnourishment and physical abuse of children, psychological disturbances, and unstable or underfunded budgets (unless you're in EBR from my experience).

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If this trend continues - libraries need to hire nurses, EMTs, and social workers

Libraries won't hire First Responders. Communities may hire First Responders to work part or all open hours but the vast majority of libraries don't have budgets big enough to take on that financial burden. Libraries may hire off-duty LEOs or private security services, but's usually sold as enforcement and security for a risk-adverse profession. Taxpayers will need to make that decision. If they do it's because they view their community library/ies as valuable enough to allocate additional resources, but probably likely due to NIMBY mentality.

Academic libraries, school libraries, special libraries, and archives have their own separate issues but doesn't need to be brought up in this thread.
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