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Seattle Children’s Hospital Patients Infected With Mold From Operating Rooms
Posted on 7/3/19 at 8:07 am
Posted on 7/3/19 at 8:07 am
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WTF. This pisses me off.
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Seattle Children's Hospital has revealed that one patient has died and five others have been infected by a potentially dangerous mold that has forced the medical center to close all of its main operating rooms. The hospital disclosed the infections and death to The Seattle Times Tuesday in response to follow-up questions regarding the closures of four operating rooms on its main Seattle campus May 18 because of Aspergillus mold
WTF. This pisses me off.
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Posted on 7/3/19 at 8:08 am to athenslife101
Aspergillus is not that difficult to control. Poor maintenance is the problem.
Posted on 7/3/19 at 8:09 am to Dawgholio
Is it an issue of the janitor just not doing a good job cleaning up after surgeries or what?
Posted on 7/3/19 at 8:09 am to athenslife101
Being in Seattle, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s due to them not being able to use some types of cleaners because of liberal arse laws.
This post was edited on 7/3/19 at 8:10 am
Posted on 7/3/19 at 8:09 am to athenslife101
I'm sure the mayor is still groveling about Trump and illegal immigrants.
Posted on 7/3/19 at 8:14 am to TDsngumbo
That didn’t take long.
Posted on 7/3/19 at 8:16 am to athenslife101
quote:
Is it an issue of the janitor just not doing a good job cleaning up after surgeries or what?
Most likely HVAC/chiller issues, humidity was allowed too high and growth was able to occur.
Posted on 7/3/19 at 8:25 am to Restomod
“How can I tie this tragedy to their liberal politics, while also minimizing my conservative state’s terrible health record?” the TD poster asked himself repeatedly
Posted on 7/3/19 at 8:29 am to athenslife101
sounds like an issue in the HVAC system introducing mold in to the OR space.
if i had to bet, they have dirty coils or standing water in the units which is promotion mold growth. This is why you are seeing more and more hospitals install UV light systems at the CHW coils
and maintenance needs to check and clean units reguallry
if i had to bet, they have dirty coils or standing water in the units which is promotion mold growth. This is why you are seeing more and more hospitals install UV light systems at the CHW coils
and maintenance needs to check and clean units reguallry
Posted on 7/3/19 at 8:33 am to Dawgholio
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Aspergillus is not that difficult to control. Poor maintenance is the problem.
There are several species that are extremely difficult to eradicate. For example, they can grow on bare metal--ie ducts--and they're spores can survive an autoclave.
Posted on 7/3/19 at 8:36 am to tigeraddict
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sounds like an issue in the HVAC system introducing mold in to the OR spac
Most likely.
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and maintenance needs to check and clean units reguallry
That hospital was built in the 1950s. Unless they can clean every square millimeter of the ventilation, it's only a matter of time before it pops up again.
Posted on 7/3/19 at 8:42 am to athenslife101
sounds like an issue in the HVAC system introducing mold in to the OR space.
if i had to bet, they have dirty coils or standing water in the units which is promotion mold growth. This is why you are seeing more and more hospitals install UV light systems at the CHW coils.
that, or they didn't have humidity under control. ORs have 100% outside air with 100% exhaust (no return air), and Seattle has a very wet environment typically. most surgeons like operating in in temps in the low 60s, which also adds to higher humidity issues.
and maintenance needs to check and clean units on a regular basis
problem is most hospitals don't have adept maintenance personnel.
mold needs wet/dark spaces to grow, and high humidity couple with poor maintenance can lead to situations like this.
if i had to bet, they have dirty coils or standing water in the units which is promotion mold growth. This is why you are seeing more and more hospitals install UV light systems at the CHW coils.
that, or they didn't have humidity under control. ORs have 100% outside air with 100% exhaust (no return air), and Seattle has a very wet environment typically. most surgeons like operating in in temps in the low 60s, which also adds to higher humidity issues.
and maintenance needs to check and clean units on a regular basis
problem is most hospitals don't have adept maintenance personnel.
mold needs wet/dark spaces to grow, and high humidity couple with poor maintenance can lead to situations like this.
Posted on 7/3/19 at 8:47 am to Cocotheape
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How can I tie this tragedy to their liberal politics, while also minimizing my conservative state’s terrible health record?” the TD poster asked himself repeatedly
Hospital housekeeping, maintenance upkeep, and dirty arse employees not washing their hands before and after care are, in my opinion, some of the biggest threats to patients in the healthcare setting. Politics has no role in this.
Posted on 7/3/19 at 8:47 am to Dawgholio
quote:Kinda like the last remaining Abortion Clinic in MO was in violation of??? But noooo, Court says cannot shut THAT down over a trifling thing like cleanliness and maintenance.
Poor maintenance is the problem.
There's a reason there are no little jobs and no reason janitors and ditch diggers should be looked down upon. Without ditches there is no civilization. Without janitors and trash men there are no cities. Just a lot of toxic environments left behind without these "little people" doing "low tier" jobs.
Remember to treat your cleaning crews nicely, to thank them for their efforts. Without them your place of employment and nice neighborhood would not exist.
Posted on 7/3/19 at 8:52 am to CrimsonTideMD
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That hospital was built in the 1950s. Unless they can clean every square millimeter of the ventilation, it's only a matter of time before it pops up again.
i have seen things in older hospitals that are quite scary. but your newer OR AHUs and OR HVAC systems are impressive. With Laminar flow or Air curtain systems around the OR table there is literary an air wall preventing migration of air into the patient space. and with UV light systems, HEPA filters, good HVAC controls programming, along with proactive maintenance, this can be easily avoided.
This post was edited on 7/3/19 at 8:54 am
Posted on 7/3/19 at 10:01 am to CrimsonTideMD
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spores can survive an autoclave
damn
Posted on 7/3/19 at 10:23 am to Restomod
quote:
Most likely HVAC/chiller issues, humidity was allowed too high and growth was able to occur.
BUT MUH LIBERALS!!!
Posted on 7/3/19 at 10:57 am to athenslife101
That doesn't sound very plausible to me. We're supposed to believe these kids lived a nice, mold-free existence until they needed surgery, and then they died because the OR was the one place that had mold?
Yeah, right. How about figuring WTF actually happened to those kids instead of pointing fingers at the facilities guy?
Yeah, right. How about figuring WTF actually happened to those kids instead of pointing fingers at the facilities guy?
Posted on 7/3/19 at 10:58 am to USMEagles
what? Posted on 7/3/19 at 11:01 am to athenslife101
Making $$$ trumps the need for maintenance and safety. I would be willing to guess there is a problem in every medical establishment in the country.
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