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re: Scientists find no evidence of depression being caused by "chemical imbalances" in brain
Posted on 7/27/22 at 5:27 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Posted on 7/27/22 at 5:27 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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There's also a shite ton of data that there is more mental disease, violence, unhappiness, and that they aren't very effective.
thats a lot of other stuff.
more mental disease - theres more people than ever, and more surveillance/sampling effort. I dont believe the meds cure mental illness rather ameliorate.
violence, unhappiness - not sure how this relates to efficacy of a given med. rather a general sweeping statement.
they arent effective - yea correct with some context. a lot is trial and error. some work better than others and vary for different people. they have diff metabolisms and physio. Regarding the study I would expect chemical levels to vary between person so I wouldnt expect x amount of serortonin = depression for a smooth cause=correlation. analagous to diet/bmr in a way.
thats one major problem with the thread title no evidence of SSRI treating "chemical imbalance", but there are several non serotonin chemicals that may be imbalanced that influence mood. and imbalanced would be to the respective person, I wouldnt expect a set amount of x chemical to = x mood throughout the populations. other drugs impact multiple chemicals. not shitting on the study, rather the obvious avenue for misinterpretation of it. I also think the problem is multifactorial including various lifestyle/environmental factors.
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 5:29 pm to AMS
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This post was edited on 7/27/22 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 7/27/22 at 5:30 pm to Gaggle
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What measurement? Objectively? You have a time machine? It's a story of history you believe.
life span, disease mortality, symptom management.
theres records no time machine necessary.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 5:31 pm to TigerDoc
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Indigenous societies still exist. Average lifespans are short. You can actually go there and visit them.
crossing fingers that he chooses Sentinel Island
Posted on 7/27/22 at 5:33 pm to AMS
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 5:33 pm to Jim Rockford
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I posted this in the other thread about the same article when it was posted last week. Before starting on Abilify
My wife had crippling panic attacks and depression so severe that the tasks of daily living were almost too much for her.
Ability is an antipsychotic also given to schizophrenics to stabilize them and help 'quiet the voices.'
No one is saying antipsychotics don't work. They work great. (And if you say otherwise on this thread you need to stop peddling your ignorance) They also have a different mechanism of action than SSRIs. And SSRIs are a drug class I have long been iffy on. In general prefer to jump right over them into the SNRIs. California rocket fuel works.
This post was edited on 7/27/22 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 7/27/22 at 5:33 pm to Gaggle
Ok so everything Gaggle says is wrong. Got it
Posted on 7/27/22 at 5:34 pm to OGtigerfan87
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 5:39 pm to Gaggle
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statistics about TODAY are highly manipulated, political and always subject to influence and bias. You can't trust statistics about TODAY
maybe but not in all cases.
for example look into TORCHES data and outcomes. I dont see big politics playing a role in screening pregos for STDs and other infections... do the same for polio, folic acid, chickenpox/shingles, pneumococcal in elderly/aspelnics... antiretrovirals in HIV/AIDS.
thats several objective and measurable improvements. the data exists youre just too paranoid by some manipulation so you discard all evidence which is moronic.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 5:40 pm to Gaggle
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I helped a doctor on one of his paid drug trials. People died. I also attended meetings where he was paid to present and promote drugs to other doctors. He makes a lot of side money that way. Doctors only like to listen to other doctors and drug companies know this.
we sure as shite arent going to listen to loons like you
Posted on 7/27/22 at 5:42 pm to RollTide1987
I can tell you from personal experience that I’ve been pretty sad on some days for no reason, and a handful of Clonopin fixed everything.
Whether or not I had a chemical in balance in my head I have no idea, nor do I care.
Whether or not I had a chemical in balance in my head I have no idea, nor do I care.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 5:45 pm to AMS
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 5:53 pm to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
Benzos work quite well, and small dosing can be very effective for depression/anxiety.
The AMA would burn me at the stake for typing that.
The AMA would burn me at the stake for typing that.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 5:55 pm to HoustonChick86
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Because I'm still here.
And we’re very glad that you are. Stay strong!
Posted on 7/27/22 at 6:01 pm to Gaggle
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actually I did this one all evidence shows the sanitation and clean water practices precipitated its fall
ok so you agree more modern developments DO improve conditions, symptoms and mortality after all. thanks for providing an example proving things are objectively better than the past despite the fact you believe otherwise.
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vaccination has caused spikes.
cant take u seriously dude. thats objectively false for the vaccine series the US uses.
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Everything is working with an entirely limited sample size and an inherent sample bias. There are millions and millions of people who aren't screened, don't go to the doctor, and get better and don't die from it. All that are counted are those who die from it on the coroner's report. Do you see the bias?
yea and even with that bias you can see a reduction to near elimination of severe cases which did not exist before vaccines.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 6:02 pm to RollTide1987
It may not be the cause of depression but I CAN ASSURE YOU SSRI'S HELP ALLEVIATE DEPRESSION!
Posted on 7/27/22 at 6:04 pm to USMCguy121
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 6:06 pm to AMS
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This post was edited on 7/27/22 at 11:07 pm
Posted on 7/27/22 at 6:06 pm to Gaggle
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Unless they force mass testing everyone or they are stalking and kidnapping many random people, there has to be an inherent sample bias. Many many people due to different personal characteristics will not be tested, subject to experiments or go to the doctor willingly under any circumstances.
damn you got me there. I guess I agree there is just no applicable data for anything ever.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 6:09 pm to Gaggle
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vaccination has caused spikes
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correlation is not causation
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correlate better with clean water and sanitation practices
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it fell sharply and drastically before the vaccine and then spiked afterward.
damn you just discredited your own point, again.
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