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re: Scientist says he found definitive proof that God exists
Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:22 pm to Darth_Vader
Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:22 pm to Darth_Vader
I believe all religions have it wrong but I do believe in a creator.
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Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:25 pm to rantfan
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I believe all religions have it wrong but I do believe in a creator.
interesting. Two questions.
1. How did they get it wrong?
2. What lead you to believe is right?
Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:26 pm to Darth_Vader
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1. How did they get it wrong?
If statistics support the notion that we can't have evolved by pure chance, then they also support the notion that it's impossible for any religion to have gotten everything right.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:28 pm to LSUBoo
quote:Very true. Economics proves it.
If statistics support the notion that we can't have evolved by pure chance, then they also support the notion that it's impossible for any religion to have gotten everything right.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:28 pm to Darth_Vader
people trying to prove that God exists so that their faith-based belief system can be legitimized. Do any of you Christian mensas realize the inherent problem with trying to prove that God exists?
ETA: I am a Christian
This post was edited on 6/8/16 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:29 pm to AUveritas
That study does not equal:
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God
Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:29 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
#godsplan
Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:31 pm to Argonaut
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That study does not equal:
That wasn't my claim. My claim was that science seems to indicate that humans are born with a sense of moral right and wrong. Of course, from there it's no great leap to some form of an objective morality and then to a source of that morality.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:34 pm to Darth_Vader
RAIDEN!!! MORTAL KOMBAT!! Sorry didn't read through 14 pages to see if someone already said it...
Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:36 pm to AUveritas
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That wasn't my claim. My claim was that science seems to indicate that humans are born with a sense of moral right and wrong. Of course, from there it's no great leap to some form of an objective morality and then to a source of that morality.
This is what you said:
quote:
In brief, I believe that God is the immutable source of objective morality and these moral prescriptions are innate in humanity. There have been scientific studies that show this to be true.
God is your source. There are no studies that prove morality comes from a god any more than a potato.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:40 pm to Darth_Vader
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If it had been some random 9th grade science teaching saying what he's said, I'd have not given it a second look. But the fact it was him saying these things is what makes it interesting.
what him stating that global warming is fact and "settled science"?
Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:40 pm to Argonaut
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God is your source. There are no studies that prove morality comes from a god any more than a potato.
Well, perhaps the way I phrased the point was inadequate. I didn't mean to imply anything other than studies have shown we are born with a sense of morality. The rest of it is just following it through to its logical conclusion. The source would have to be intelligent, be able to exert its will and be superior to us and that innate morality. Kind of rules out potatoes.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:42 pm to AUveritas
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I didn't mean to imply anything other than studies have shown we are born with a sense of morality.
make biological sense
animals are also born with their own morality
Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:42 pm to cgrand
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"Descartes' ontological argument goes as follows: (1) Our idea of God is of a perfect being, (2) it is more perfect to exist than not to exist, (3) therefore, God must exist."
That nonsense was due to Anselm of Canterbury, except he put it in terms of "a being a greater than which cannot exist."
Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:45 pm to AUveritas
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I didn't mean to imply anything other than studies have shown we are born with a sense of morality.
Could just be millions of years worth of evolution. Passed on via genetic code.
Animals are both with instincts as well.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:48 pm to DanMullins4Life
Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:50 pm to CadesCove
quote:dead man wal...talking
If God doesn't exist, you might be waiting a while to hear from him.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:52 pm to Salmon
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animals are also born with their own morality
Animals have morality?
Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:52 pm to Darth_Vader
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Animals have morality?
yes...
Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:53 pm to AUveritas
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Well, perhaps the way I phrased the point was inadequate. I didn't mean to imply anything other than studies have shown we are born with a sense of morality.
I took your meaning. I just wanted to clarify it for sake of discussion.
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The rest of it is just following it through to its logical conclusion. The source would have to be intelligent, be able to exert its will and be superior to us and that innate morality.
There is no requirement for the source to be intelligent. It may simply be genetics passed on to the child. I'm not educated on genetics enough to make that assertion, but I know enough to say it doesn't "have to be" intelligent design.
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Kind of rules out potatoes.
You can't prove that it isn't potatoes.
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