re: Sayonara St. George...

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Try to go from Acadian to P'ville?

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I didn't realize Prairieville is in Baton Rouge.

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Your statement is 100% untrue

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Then take my bet.

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i agree with all of this..... but i dont see how you can reasonably think someone looking after him and his family would want to sit there and suffer through the shite you woul dhave to suffer though. As scruffy said, you act like you want everyone to be miserable like you. How my mind works is, i will move over here cause it is nicer... shite starts going bad, hey i have money ill move over here. It isnt not job to convince everyone in the city to all play nice.

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What I'm saying is that this is the mentality that caused all of this, and to remain entrenched I. That mindset will do nothing but get us much more of the same, and perhaps exponentially to boot.

Until people begin to come to grips with WHY it's important to "stand in the place where you live" and fight for it and your community rather than leave it, this will continue just like it did with daddy and grandpa, because quite simply we haven't changed directions, and most don't even think of what caused it or desire to discuss it.

Until people begin to get their mind around why its so critical to buy locally, and more importantly, from local businesses that also buy locally in lieu of out of state chains and strip centers we won't ever truly be able to operate efficiently and our tax dollars go further in funding our infrastructure needs. Instead, we will forever have to be content with jingle instead of wads of paper.

Until people begin to see the value in planning, building, and zoning like a city rather than knee jerk reactions and a careless indifference to metal building and chain architecture being erected all over the place, we are forever going to be moving to avoid the outdated garbage that was once new and shiny, so we can live around the same damn stores further out that are newer and shinier. Like a bunch of traveling gypsies is what we've become, and no sense of ourselves either, nor value to what COULD be if we could have even a minuscule amount of vision for the future rather than the immediate present.

Until people begin to understand these basic human concepts practiced by all successful cities, villages, towns, and communities around the globe, We will never be able to move to the next step of taking back that which those civilizations value most, their urban areas. Until that, it's always going to remain a big mystery.

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What I'm saying is that this is the mentality that caused all of this, and to remain entrenched

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not at all

white suburbs did not create or entrench ghetto culture. ghetto culture did that on its own

if you believe that well-to-do people who want their children to be raised and educated around other people of higher culture should be forced to have their children to live and be educated around those of shite culture, you're a sadistic a-hole

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Until people begin to get their mind around why its so critical to buy locally, and more importantly, from local businesses that also buy locally in lieu of out of state chains and strip centers we won't ever truly be able to operate efficiently and our tax dollars go further in funding our infrastructure needs. Instead, we will forever have to be content with jingle instead of wads of paper.

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this has nothing to do with ghetto culture

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If they spent more time trying to address the school issue than they do trying to defeat the SG break-away, then th SG movement would go away.

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this is out of the hands of EBR. this was a federally-mandated problem and any attempt to correct it will be met with allegations of racism in a city that is a majority black

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So, the people living there morphed into ghetto trash overnight?

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well the people who moved away certainly did not create any metamorphosis in that culture

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or did people move so that the ghetto took over?

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the ghetto didn't "take over". when persons of quality culture leave a ghetto culture behind, all that is left is ghetto culture

why do you believe that people of higher culture should be forced to live around ignorant people who detest values such as education, hard work, non-violent solutions to problems, personal responsibility in sexual choices, and avoiding criminal behavior?

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The point where there's room for the ghetto culture to move in via rental property that was at one point an investment by a home owner.

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they have to live somewhere. this isn't a point at all, especially with the social pressures of avoiding allegations of racism and federal programs like HUD and Section 8

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Yes, BR traffic sucks, but that's the price of growth.

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it's much more design than anything

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It will get better as people embrace the right sorts of capital expenditures.

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very, very unlikely. BR was just not designed to connect, and there are certain areas where expansion will be difficult b/c of the whole race issue (like expanding i10 when it goes to 1 lane...can't be fixed b/c the exit that would be eliminated is in a black area)

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hey have to live somewhere. this isn't a point at all

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The frick it isn't the point. It's exactly the point, and the only people who make that happen are those who no longer value the area, even that which they have a vested interest in.

We all know how this happens, so let's talk straight. A black couple buys a house in a neighborhood back in the 70's. White couple says to themselves..."you know what they say honey, when one moves in you better sell" so they do, or when they can't, or want to make extra income as a result of a deceased family member or buyers market, they rent it out, but none of that would truly be possible large scale if it weren't for the fact that the area isn't first seen as low valued areas. It's for this reason that other neighborhoods of similar age like Southdowns, Hundred Oaks, Capital Heights, Garden District, and parts of Old Goodwood,Spanish Town, etc haven't gone that route, because there is a very real value affixed to the area through perception of worth. While perhaps a few of those are due in large part to the class of homes, it's not the case with say Hundred Oaks, Southdowns, and Capital Heights in the least. People simply determined that it was worthy, so they fight for it.

Now, one thing in all fairness that I think contributed to people not valuing it anymore was the bussing issue, which if you look at the time frame, that's exactly when those working class neighborhoods in NBR began to take the nose dive into the gutter. Forced bussing sent kids from one end of town to the other, away from their neighborhood schools, even splitting up neighborhoods in fragments, thus doing away with the personal identification people in those neighborhoods had with their own community or neighbors they no longer had any contact with through a mutual relationship as parents with kids in the same neighborhood school. A cause, but certainly not an excuse to remain fixed in this mindset or a long term solution to an ever increasing problem waxing worse and worse over time.

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Now, one thing in all fairness that I think contributed to people not valuing it anymore was the bussing issue, which if you look at the time frame, that's exactly when those working class neighborhoods in NBR began to take the nose dive into the gutter. Forced bussing sent kids from one end of town to the other, away from their neighborhood schools, even splitting up neighborhoods in fragments, thus doing away with the personal identification people in those neighborhoods had with their own community.

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This really is the crux of the St. George issues (and a lot of other issues) and why the school system is its current state.

However, it seems like the St. George supporters pin all the blame on present-day local officials, when it was a mandate by a federal judge.