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re: Saw 2 homeless out and about on the way to work this morning

Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:16 am to
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:16 am to
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My wife's best friend's fiance has told me several times that if it wasn't for his kid, he would prefer to be homeless. He doesn't like to work.


People say stupid shite all the time for any number of reasons.
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
62176 posts
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:16 am to
quote:

Most homeless people didn't make a conscious choice to be homeless
Are you telling me these people don't want to eat out of the garbage and sleep on benches covered in newspaper?

I've been looking at the world all wrong
Posted by thesoccerfanjax
Member since Nov 2013
6128 posts
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:17 am to
And once you've been homeless and jobless for a given amount of time, it becomes nearly impossible to get a job. No phone, no home address, no mode of transportation (yes, many jobs require you to have a car), probably look and dress like shite, you may have references but do you know their contact info? etc. People always ignore this.

And what if you do get a job at McD's? You certainly can't afford to rent a place on your own and most landlords and/or roommates will want to rent to someone who has no recent history of living any place.
This post was edited on 1/8/15 at 11:19 am
Posted by meauxjeaux2
watson
Member since Oct 2007
60283 posts
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:18 am to
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You're making a lot of ignorant assumptions.

no sir i am not.Why are you out to discredit me? I work around a huge homeless population and actually do interact with a couple of them.It's always about money, no matter how well we get to know each other.
I believe you're willfully ignorant.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
34458 posts
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:18 am to
and it is fine for us to agree to disagree. We have different experiences and came from different backgrounds that shape our opinions of the world.

I had a rough upbringing and had to fight my arse off for the meager life that I have now. I know what it's like to grow up as a kid having to hunt and grow a garden so that there will be food on that table that night. I've been blessed to never be homeless, but we put up one hell of a fight to get through what we were going through.

Point is I don't think there are a lot of mentally competent people who have as real of an understanding of what it takes to succeed when the odds are stacked against you.

I'm really not the smartest guy in any building I am ever in, but if I can figure out how to scrap through what we did, then I don't see how any mentally competent person can't. Put in the fricking work it takes and get your arse off the streets. It's sometimes very hard, but end the end it's that easy for the mentally competent.
Posted by mastersleestak
Foul's Creche
Member since Dec 2014
426 posts
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:19 am to
Being homeless is like being on an extended camping trip. I love the outdoors.
Posted by meauxjeaux2
watson
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:19 am to
quote:

cwill


quote:

Most homeless people didn't make a conscious choice to be homeless. The vast majority or either insane or have significant addiction problems. It's not just some dude, down on his luck that lost his job.



Ohh i see. The OT has gone full ADD again i see.

Seriously. This is what you got from the OP?
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:21 am to
Want to be homeless....if you choose to be homeless...
Posted by FT
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Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:21 am to
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Saw 2: Homeless
Would watch.
Posted by rbWarEagle
Member since Nov 2009
49999 posts
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:21 am to
quote:

and it is fine for us to agree to disagree. We have different experiences and came from different backgrounds that shape our opinions of the world.

I had a rough upbringing and had to fight my arse off for the meager life that I have now. I know what it's like to grow up as a kid having to hunt and grow a garden so that there will be food on that table that night. I've been blessed to never be homeless, but we put up one hell of a fight to get through what we were going through.



Regardless of our philosophical/physiological disagreements, I respect this big time.
Posted by Osiris
Valley of the Kings
Member since Nov 2014
252 posts
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:22 am to
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
34458 posts
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:24 am to
On the other hand it made me very bitter and callous, traits I haven't been able to change. I would much rather believe in your outlook, but that part of me is long since dead.
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:24 am to
quote:

Why are you out to discredit me?


Not at all out to discredit you, just trying to give you a different perspective that it doesn't seem like you've considered.

quote:

It's always about money, no matter how well we get to know each other.


It will always be about money if that's what you think it's going to be when you enter the conversation. I think when you make an attempt to have a real conversation with someone with money out of the picture - it changes the entire dynamic of the conversation.

If you're feeling whimsical, put on some of your yard work clothes and don't brush your hair and walk down the street talking to these people. I honestly think you'd be surprised by a lot of them and their stories.
Posted by meauxjeaux2
watson
Member since Oct 2007
60283 posts
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:26 am to
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Want to be homeless....if you choose to be homeless...



you are either completely retarded or simply don't have enough time to properly respond to me.
The OP said only about being out in the cold with shelters available.
That's it.
Nothing about being homeless.Nothing about mental illness.
Simply,get out of the fricking cold.
Others here have tried to turn this thread into something else. Not me.
Posted by terd ferguson
Darren Wilson Fan Club President
Member since Aug 2007
113794 posts
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:26 am to
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Or the result of serious mental health issues that aren't treated.


Like PTSD... there are a lot of homeless vets out there.
Posted by meauxjeaux2
watson
Member since Oct 2007
60283 posts
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:27 am to
quote:

Tuscaloosa


quote:

That's why I always start the conversation with "I don't have any money to give you... but"



see your above post.

Posted by rbWarEagle
Member since Nov 2009
49999 posts
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:27 am to
quote:

On the other hand it made me very bitter and callous, traits I haven't been able to change. I would much rather believe in your outlook, but that part of me is long since dead.



Read up on the author Dr. Sam Harris. He is a neuroscientist who explores the idea that free will and "the self" are an illusion. See what you think about it. Maybe it will help.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:28 am to
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The OP said only about being out in the cold with shelters available. That's it.


don't those shelters have rules? frown on drug and alcohol abuse? have limitations for how often you can stay? etc
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:28 am to
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see your above post.


The point of saying that is to get it out of the way that this conversation will not be about money. It's never about money. If they know that up front, the conversation looks a lot different.

But I do see the irony
This post was edited on 1/8/15 at 11:29 am
Posted by Osiris
Valley of the Kings
Member since Nov 2014
252 posts
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:29 am to
quote:

frown on drug and alcohol abuse? have limitations for how often you can stay?
if they didn't, people would never leave.
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