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re: S&WB: Several pumps went offline due to electric issues during July 10 storm
Posted on 7/17/19 at 7:11 am to TigerWise
Posted on 7/17/19 at 7:11 am to TigerWise
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People in New Orleans a dumb for putting up with this BS.
You mean dumb for continuing to elect idiots to run the city? Don't blame the leaders and cooks running the show, it's not their fault that the voters elected them giving them a free pass for corruption.
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Posted on 7/17/19 at 7:16 am to jscrims
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Sounds like they should have said power outages instead of lightning strikes. That many lightning strikes on pumps means somebody messed up and made those pumps a conduit for lightning and you have a bigger issue.
When lightning strikes a pump the only thing salvageable is the case, the entire rotating element is typically fused together.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 7:34 am to jordan21210
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Grid isn’t good in that area either.
What area was that? Because two of the pump stations they are saying got struck are near my house and we never lost power but we sure the hell did flood.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 7:46 am to tgrbaitn08
let’s face it. New Orleans learned nothing from that storm 14 years ago. New Orleans is going to “dodge the bullet” until that perfect storm comes around and the city is giant soup bowl again.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 7:56 am to tgrbaitn08
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What area was that?
Freret/Napoleon/S Claiborne
Power goes out randomly way more than it should.
I see my statements weren’t very popular here. Let me reiterate, SWB are incompetent and I agree that we should have very reliable backup power sources. Inexcusable not to. Also unacceptable that every time this has happened the response is “all pumps are operating” then a week or two later it’s “lol jk”. I didn’t flood, but understand those that did being livid. NOLA residents deserve better.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 8:06 am to mofungoo
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When electrical power is lost the backup generators are supposed to come on line. This didn't happen because the fuel tanks for the generators were empty!
Sounds like human error and incompetence to me.
Didnt you hear Baw? There was enough petrol to run them for 2 hours should power go out during Barry.
#fakenews
Posted on 7/17/19 at 8:22 am to jordan21210
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but I lost power for 6 hours that day near that area due to lightning strikes,
No offense, but having power at your house is not as important as having power at pumping stations that protect the city. There are backup sources of power that are supposed to kick in.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 8:32 am to eScott
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When lightning strikes a pump the only thing salvageable is the case, the entire rotating element is typically fused together.
If only somone would invent a rod or something that is designed to attract the lightening and carry the strike away from the structure so components dont fry....hmmmmmmmm
......after thinking about it, we could call it a LIGHTNING ROD!
Posted on 7/17/19 at 8:33 am to MrLSU
These pumps aren't push-button quick start.
Think about your home. Power goes out, everything goes black for a minute or two, and then your whole house generator kicks on, and everything comes back on.
However, with these pumps, they don't come back on automatically - even if their is "backup power". They have to be restarted. The backup power just gives them the chance to be able to be re-started. That process takes time.
The improvements they have made to the turbines, backup generators, and addition of more generators, give them the option to re-start the pumps after the main power source goes. That option wasn't even around in many pump stations a couple of years ago.
Now, we can should ask, could more be done to ground these electrical systems so that lightning can't knock them off in the first place?
Also, it's become increasingly clear that there is a major internal communications problem. I don't think Ghorban is "lying". I think when he is asked questions in the heat of the moment, he is going on the information he has. If he's not getting the information from the supervisors and people at the pump stations, he can't respond accordingly.
In the future, when he's asked 10 minutes after the rain stops if all the pumps worked, he probably needs to say "No comment until we can complete our investigation".
Think about your home. Power goes out, everything goes black for a minute or two, and then your whole house generator kicks on, and everything comes back on.
However, with these pumps, they don't come back on automatically - even if their is "backup power". They have to be restarted. The backup power just gives them the chance to be able to be re-started. That process takes time.
The improvements they have made to the turbines, backup generators, and addition of more generators, give them the option to re-start the pumps after the main power source goes. That option wasn't even around in many pump stations a couple of years ago.
Now, we can should ask, could more be done to ground these electrical systems so that lightning can't knock them off in the first place?
Also, it's become increasingly clear that there is a major internal communications problem. I don't think Ghorban is "lying". I think when he is asked questions in the heat of the moment, he is going on the information he has. If he's not getting the information from the supervisors and people at the pump stations, he can't respond accordingly.
In the future, when he's asked 10 minutes after the rain stops if all the pumps worked, he probably needs to say "No comment until we can complete our investigation".
Posted on 7/17/19 at 8:34 am to GeeOH
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No offense, but having power at your house is not as important as having power at pumping stations that protect the city.
No shite. I wasn’t implying that.
The article says the Broadmoor pump that drains uptown was down due to “lightning and electrical issues”. I live near the Broadmoor area and I lost power due to lightning. Was just posting to share that it was a legit power issue, the unacceptable part is not having reliable back up power to the pump station.
ETA: though the article also says they eventually got 6 of the 7 pumps at the broadmoor station working. Just a matter of if anyone believes them.
This post was edited on 7/17/19 at 8:40 am
Posted on 7/17/19 at 8:35 am to BigPerm30
Make sure you put it on auto pay.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 8:36 am to ibldprplgld
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Say what you will about Entergy or Cox, but they maintain and fix their shite and rarely have the consistent issues like SWB does
This is a joke, right? Entergy might be the worst electric utility in the country, and a big reason for that is the lack of maintenance and redundancy of their equipment.
6 years in Houston, outside of storms, I never once lost power. Here, we regularly lose power on sunny days because of "equipment failure".
Posted on 7/17/19 at 8:40 am to Screaming Viking
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all municipalities have a public works dept. almost none have a separate organization such as the S&WB. They need to become one entity. one problem is that the specifications in the S&WB book are almost as old as the city. seriously. the problem is that PW "costs" the city money, while the S&WB takes in money (even though it is at an annual loss). which one do you think the city would vote to keep?
No where in the name "Sewerage and Water Board" is the term "drainage".
Right now, all of the street drains are under the jurisdiction of the city dept of public works. However, once the water enters the drainage systems, it is the responsibility of the S&WB to pump it through their system and out into the lake.
This makes no sense.
I would remove all pumping/drainage responsibility from the S&WB and bring it under the city dept of public works. Let the S&WB handle water treatment, distribution, and sewerage.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 8:41 am to LSUFanHouston
Here are a few questions I have:
Once it stopped raining the water around my house continued to rise 3"-4" more inches as the water was moving tworards the Broad St pumping station...this went on for about 2 hours after it has stopped raining
Then, the water stopped moving and stopped rising for about an hour....then water started moving in the opposite direction once that started then the water finally started dropping.
Why? That has never happened
I would also like to hear how the Jefferson Ave drainage project is supposed to make drainage better for this area? It seems to have made it worse.
I would also like to hear why the drainage canal from the Broad St station all the way to Palmetto and S Carrollton was over flowing..that tells me that the 17st canal was full or something was restricting the water from moving out of the canals.
Why wasnt the pumps at the outfall canal pumping the water out of the 17th Street Canal into the Lake to allow for more water to be pumped into the canal??
so many questions that just dont add up..
Once it stopped raining the water around my house continued to rise 3"-4" more inches as the water was moving tworards the Broad St pumping station...this went on for about 2 hours after it has stopped raining
Then, the water stopped moving and stopped rising for about an hour....then water started moving in the opposite direction once that started then the water finally started dropping.
Why? That has never happened
I would also like to hear how the Jefferson Ave drainage project is supposed to make drainage better for this area? It seems to have made it worse.
I would also like to hear why the drainage canal from the Broad St station all the way to Palmetto and S Carrollton was over flowing..that tells me that the 17st canal was full or something was restricting the water from moving out of the canals.
Why wasnt the pumps at the outfall canal pumping the water out of the 17th Street Canal into the Lake to allow for more water to be pumped into the canal??
so many questions that just dont add up..
Posted on 7/17/19 at 8:42 am to LSUFanHouston
With as bad as Entergy is, I find it laughable that you defend the SWB.
They were literally given billions of dollars after Katrina to revamp, update, and essentially redo their pumping infrastructure. Instead they just repaired their pre 1930’s technology, didn’t update any of the power systems, and relaxes none of the pumps.
It needs to be taken out of the hands of public officials and run by competing private entities.
They were literally given billions of dollars after Katrina to revamp, update, and essentially redo their pumping infrastructure. Instead they just repaired their pre 1930’s technology, didn’t update any of the power systems, and relaxes none of the pumps.
It needs to be taken out of the hands of public officials and run by competing private entities.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 8:44 am to LSUFanHouston
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I would remove all pumping/drainage responsibility from the S&WB and bring it under the city dept of public works. Let the S&WB handle water treatment, distribution, and sewerage.
Agree 100%
Posted on 7/17/19 at 8:44 am to LSUFanHouston
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However, once the water enters the drainage systems, it is the responsibility of the S&WB to pump it through their system and out into the lake.
This makes no sense.
thats why I think it's more to do with drainage than it is with the pumps.
there are some serious drainage issues.....the pumps can pump their asses off, but the water cant move if the drains are clogged up with water or debris
Posted on 7/17/19 at 8:45 am to tgrbaitn08
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Why wasnt the pumps at the outfall canal pumping the water out of the 17th Street Canal into the Lake to allow for more water to be pumped into the canal??
Lightning. Duh
Posted on 7/17/19 at 8:47 am to LSUFanHouston
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when he's asked 10 minutes after the rain stops if all the pumps worked, he probably needs to say "No comment until we can complete our investigation".
Why in the F<"k wouldnt we k ow if the pumps were online 10 minutes after the rain STOPS?
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If he's not getting the information from the supervisors and people at the pump stations, he can't respond accordingly.
Dont you think this in itself is a fundamental breakdown?
Engineers in houston can monitor the rpms on a drilling rig in Nigeria. But in NO, top brass cant get word from across town if stations are all operational?
Wow
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