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Safety Equipment "disparity" in popular Ford truck prompts IIHS re-test
Posted on 6/16/15 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 6/16/15 at 3:42 pm
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So, 30% of the 700,000 or so Ford F-series trucks sold annually are lacking the safety equipment necessary to pass this crash test.
Probably worth noting if you just bought a new Ford truck that wasn't the Supercrew model.
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Equipment disparity on Ford F-150 prompts new crash test
It was a loud and unusual crash. But it was no accident.
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Rather, it was an unprecedented follow-up crash test of a lower-volume pickup model by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.
According to IIHS, the test was done specifically because Automotive News alerted it to extra safety equipment that Ford installed on the top-selling SuperCrew model -- the single model that IIHS normally tests -- but not on its Regular Cab or SuperCab F-150s
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Thursday's extraordinary test was on a SuperCab model that has a smaller rear passenger compartment and accounts for 25 percent of the F-150's sales, compared with 70 percent for the SuperCrew, Ford says. Regular Cab F-150s account for the remaining 5 percent.
So, 30% of the 700,000 or so Ford F-series trucks sold annually are lacking the safety equipment necessary to pass this crash test.
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So why are the protectors absent from the other 30 percent of F-150s?
"We optimize each cab structure based on many factors including cab style, mass, wheelbase, powertrain and driveline to meet regulatory requirements and achieve public domain ratings," the Ford safety spokeswoman said.
The different safety configurations among models puzzled some outside experts consulted by Automotive News. Third-party engineers said it was their opinion that the protectors were added to the SuperCrew model for the sake of passing the IIHS test.
Probably worth noting if you just bought a new Ford truck that wasn't the Supercrew model.
This post was edited on 6/16/15 at 3:45 pm
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Posted on 6/16/15 at 3:48 pm to member12
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Probably worth noting if you just bought a new Ford truck that wasn't the Supercrew model.
So, if you own the Supercrew you're superscrewed?
Posted on 6/16/15 at 3:50 pm to member12
So "Found On Road Dead" was about passengers and not the vehicle itself? Mind-blower.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 3:51 pm to bbvdd
Just the new one or does it go back a few years?
Posted on 6/16/15 at 3:54 pm to dagrippa
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Just the new one or does it go back a few years?
They only noticed the missing structural pieces on the 2015 model F150s.
I guess it's to save weight and costs?
This post was edited on 6/16/15 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 6/16/15 at 4:16 pm to member12
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According to IIHS, the test was done specifically because Automotive News alerted it to extra safety equipment that Ford installed on the top-selling SuperCrew model -- the single model that IIHS normally tests -- but not on its Regular Cab or SuperCab F-150s
That's a little suspicious.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 4:27 pm to dewster
That small frontal overlap test is brutal. Not surprising a company would do this knowing it's the only configuration tested. Same thing they all did with HP rating prior to the update (rating HP without normal things like PS, AC, etc.).
At least they did it with the most popular configuration.
At least they did it with the most popular configuration.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 4:30 pm to dewster
Well, manufacturers generally give out certain vehicles for people to test. Happens with magazines and TV shows all of the time, so why wouldn't it here?
If someone like the IIHS wants to test something, why don't they just go buy a random truck off of a random lot and test it?
If someone like the IIHS wants to test something, why don't they just go buy a random truck off of a random lot and test it?
Posted on 6/16/15 at 4:40 pm to dewster
Likely to save weight. Something like 200,000+ people every year will be getting a truck that doesn't have the structural support to pass this offset crash test. It looks like Ford intentionally only braced the model that the IIHS crash tests but did nothing for the models that they would not test. That's massive corporate dishonesty for you.
Glad it doesn't impact me. I stopped buying Fords years ago because they had too many problems. I'm glad I didn't wreck mine.
Glad it doesn't impact me. I stopped buying Fords years ago because they had too many problems. I'm glad I didn't wreck mine.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 4:55 pm to member12
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They only noticed the missing structural pieces on the 2015 model F150s.
So stupid to call it "missing pieces." A longer, heavier truck - the Supercrew - requires more reinforcements to maintain rigidity. IIHS is acting foolish about this.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 4:58 pm to member12
well they sure do look good.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 5:05 pm to GaryMyMan
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So stupid to call it "missing pieces." A longer, heavier truck - the Supercrew - requires more reinforcements to maintain rigidity. IIHS is acting foolish about this.
Did you read the article? The piece is a structural member specifically made to keep the wheel from intruding into the passenger compartment.
What do most vehicles get poor ratings for in the small frontal offset? Front wheel intruding into passenger compartment.
I normally would tend to agree that different configurations make sense for different trucks/sizes, but the way this reads it doesn't seem that way.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 5:05 pm to GaryMyMan
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So stupid to call it "missing pieces." A longer, heavier truck - the Supercrew - requires more reinforcements to maintain rigidity. IIHS is acting foolish about this.
They are missing pieces, and they are not missing from the cab, but from the front end including the space forward of the front wheels.
From the article posted, which you clearly didn't read:
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Third-party engineers said it was their opinion that the protectors were added to the SuperCrew model for the sake of passing the IIHS test.
Ford knew that they would only test this one model, so it's the only one that got the crash protection necessary to pass this test.
That's incredibly dishonest way to save weight and/or money. Having owned a Ford, it doesn't surprise me one bit. They cut corners everywhere, and now they got caught. IIHS should absolutely test and publish the results of the models missing the crash safety components.
This post was edited on 6/16/15 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 6/16/15 at 5:37 pm to LSUtigerME
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The piece is a structural member specifically made to keep the wheel from intruding into the passenger compartment.
...and it's only used on the particular model that IIHS tests.
Pretty shady.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 5:42 pm to goofball
You're bolding something that is an opinion of an engineer as though it is a fact.
I can do that too.
2015 F150 Crash Test
2015 Silverado Crash Test
This is the government head-on test. They're both rated 5 stars but it's not hard to see which one you'd rather be in.
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While the added bars might help the SuperCrew score better in the vital but difficult small-overlap front crash test, there's no guarantee that's their sole purpose.
I can do that too.
2015 F150 Crash Test
2015 Silverado Crash Test
This is the government head-on test. They're both rated 5 stars but it's not hard to see which one you'd rather be in.
This post was edited on 6/16/15 at 5:55 pm
Posted on 6/16/15 at 5:48 pm to GaryMyMan
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You're bolding something that is an opinion as though it is a fact.
Expert opinions vs. random TD poster I'll go with the experts seeing as how they crash vehicles for a living.
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IIHS is acting foolish about this.
No, they are justified in testing the models that are missing the safety gear. 30% of what is a huge seller like a full sized truck is still hundreds of thousands of vehicles every year.
Do you make a living selling or repairing these crappy vehicles?
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When testing pickups, the IIHS usually only crash tests the most popular body style, that being the SuperCrew in the F-150’s case. The story here–and it’s an eyebrow-raiser–is that it seems Ford designed the SuperCrew to ace the challenging small-overlap test and earn top marks for its popular pickup even though the lower-volume regular cab and SuperCab models may not protect occupants as effectively. As a result, the IIHS has conducted a second crash test on a SuperCab model to see just how much the SuperCrew’s reinforced structure affected the truck’s crash test performance.
They are absolutely justified in retesting the models that are curiously missing the safety gear.
This post was edited on 6/16/15 at 5:58 pm
Posted on 6/16/15 at 5:55 pm to member12
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Do you make a living selling or repairing these crappy vehicles?
What half ton truck is better?
Posted on 6/16/15 at 6:02 pm to GaryMyMan
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What half ton truck is better?
Is that what this is about? Who cares that hundreds of thousands of drivers are mislead about the safety of their vehicles....it's okay so long as it's the model you sell or repair for a living?
They should test the vehicles that are missing the safety components.
This post was edited on 6/16/15 at 6:07 pm
Posted on 6/16/15 at 6:06 pm to Hammertime
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If someone like the IIHS wants to test something, why don't they just go buy a random truck off of a random lot and test it?
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They do, IIHS purchases the vehicles they test from regular dealers with their own money.
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