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re: Russia launches world's largest submarine
Posted on 5/2/19 at 3:38 pm to Green Chili Tiger
Posted on 5/2/19 at 3:38 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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It's not the size, it's how you use it.
The bigger they are, the bigger the whole in the water, and bigger the cavitation footprint. Russians and Chinese cant fart without the SOSUS nets hearing it.
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Posted on 5/2/19 at 4:05 pm to kywildcatfanone
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Glad we don't have a passive president
Adults are speaking.
You'll learn more by listening.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 5:23 pm to Tigeralum2008
Yea, I'm having a hard time believing these guys will change the oil on time with that sub.
Article from October:
Russia's Only Aircraft Carrier
Article from October:
Russia's Only Aircraft Carrier
quote:
Russia’s only aircraft carrier was damaged in a dock accident Tuesday that left one person missing and four injured, officials said. A floating dock sank early morning in Murmansk, dropping a crane on the deck of the Admiral Kuznetsov carrier, the United Shipbuilding Corporation said. The corporation’s chief, Alexei Rakhmanov, said the 70-ton crane left a hole of 215 square feet, but added that it didn’t damage any of the ship’s vital systems.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 5:56 pm to Tigeralum2008
Interesting post, and an opportunity to share an opinion. I am 100% certain Russia understands the detonation of a nuclear device against the USA by any foreign nation likely means the end of the earth. Our nuclear capability is more than sufficient to destroy everyone and everything.
Mutually assured destruction has been a military understanding since the 60s.
Mutually assured destruction has been a military understanding since the 60s.
This post was edited on 5/2/19 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 5/2/19 at 7:13 pm to RougeDawg
Shipbuilding is a mess. The dry docks are late Soviet era, at best. And the skills necessary to build and maintain capital ships is gone. A big part of the Mistral purchase was technology and training. Russia wanted to bootstrap their program, with help from the French.
And it’s because of the budget cuts. There wasn’t any money in the post Soviet era, so they stopped building surface ships, and spent what little money they had on Subs, and infrastructure to build them.
The Kuznetsov is a POS, the boiler design is fatally flawed and they need to be replaced. It’s also just old and run down. Not a huge fan of the ski jump either, but it works with their naval doctrine.
I think they lost two aircraft in the Med when the arrestor cables snapped.
This retrofit was supposed to replace the boilers and modernize the innards. We’ll see what happens with it.
If the Kuznetsov serves any purpose though, it’s showing the flag, and preserving what little they know about carrier operations.
And it’s because of the budget cuts. There wasn’t any money in the post Soviet era, so they stopped building surface ships, and spent what little money they had on Subs, and infrastructure to build them.
The Kuznetsov is a POS, the boiler design is fatally flawed and they need to be replaced. It’s also just old and run down. Not a huge fan of the ski jump either, but it works with their naval doctrine.
I think they lost two aircraft in the Med when the arrestor cables snapped.
This retrofit was supposed to replace the boilers and modernize the innards. We’ll see what happens with it.
If the Kuznetsov serves any purpose though, it’s showing the flag, and preserving what little they know about carrier operations.
This post was edited on 5/2/19 at 7:19 pm
Posted on 5/2/19 at 7:25 pm to MeridianDog
That’s why they worked so hard to maintain the old arms control treaties.
They wanted to maintain MAD, and avoid arms races.
Russia is a poor country, and while Moscow will invest what they need to in defense, the domestic economy is a huge priority.
They wanted to maintain MAD, and avoid arms races.
Russia is a poor country, and while Moscow will invest what they need to in defense, the domestic economy is a huge priority.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 8:06 pm to Tigeralum2008
This sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. They were very proud of the Kursk too before it sank with all hands.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 8:17 pm to deltaland
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Some fish that yells at them
Posted on 5/2/19 at 8:23 pm to Tigeralum2008
We are headed right back where we were during the cold war...
damn shame our president is all chummy with this motherfricker....
damn shame our president is all chummy with this motherfricker....
Posted on 5/2/19 at 8:26 pm to eScott
Extremely misleading graph. Media hypes this as the catch all for spending. It’s a nice fancy graph.
1. The US outsources nearly all of R&D to civilian companies. Russia and China do not.
2. The fraud waste and abuse conducted by our 2 branches of our government regarding military spending and kickbacks are absurd. It’s downright criminal.
3. We still have better shite than everyone else because of reason #1.
1. The US outsources nearly all of R&D to civilian companies. Russia and China do not.
2. The fraud waste and abuse conducted by our 2 branches of our government regarding military spending and kickbacks are absurd. It’s downright criminal.
3. We still have better shite than everyone else because of reason #1.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 8:27 pm to Spankum
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damn shame our president is all chummy with this motherfricker....
What? Trump has been harder on Russia than any President in years. You do realize the Russia conspiracy was fake, right?
Posted on 5/2/19 at 8:29 pm to bubblehead26
Submarines and navy’s are useless in this day and age, a relic of the past.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 9:40 pm to TigersFan64
There was nothing mechanically wrong with the Kursk. The disaster was the result of budgets cuts, which meant less training, and resulted in sloppy performance by the sailors. Another major factor was the use of a cheap but volatile propellant.
This makes me feel old, but it happened almost 19 years ago. A lot has changed since then.
This makes me feel old, but it happened almost 19 years ago. A lot has changed since then.
This post was edited on 5/2/19 at 9:41 pm
Posted on 5/2/19 at 9:57 pm to Lima Whiskey
quote:And a lot has not changed.
This makes me feel old, but it happened almost 19 years ago. A lot has changed since then.
The current Russian regime is nowhere near being revolutionary or forward-thinking, they pine for the old Soviet ways.
And that’s wonderful for the U.S.
I’m mostly scared for the poor grunt Russkie sailors who will have to man that vessel.
They will most likely be it’s victims.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 10:23 pm to boxcarbarney
Two only Vasily
Posted on 5/2/19 at 10:42 pm to soccerfüt
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The current Russian regime is nowhere near being revolutionary or forward-thinking, they pine for the old Soviet ways.
Regime is just a pejorative we use for governments we don’t like.
Russia hasn’t changed all that much from the Tsarist era. For a lot of reasons.
It’s a huge country that requires strong central leadership. Without that the regions become their own little kingdoms.
It’s also a geographically insecure country, it’s borders are generally open plain.
The rule of law is weak. And that’s doubly true in the provinces.
It has always been poor, with just a small class of elites working to modernize it. And that is a truly Herculean task.
Putin, despite what you read, is actually one of those modernizers.
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I’m mostly scared for the poor grunt Russkie sailors who will have to man that vessel.
We should be wary of automatically dismissing them.
Russian air defense systems are better than ours. Their battlefield electronic warfare kit is better than ours.
Perhaps not suprisingly, as we discovered in Afghanistan their helicopters are better suited to high altitude operations.
The Russians have real advantages in some specific areas that we can not dismiss.
And outside those areas, they produce competent, reliable, and generally inexpensive weapons systems. They may not be cutting edge, but they work.
This post was edited on 5/2/19 at 10:47 pm
Posted on 5/2/19 at 10:49 pm to Lima Whiskey
Of all the newer Russian war toys the T-14 Armata is the one that concerns me most.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 11:06 pm to Obtuse1
It’s not a program I know much about, but the Russians may have trouble producing it in quantity. They will develop high end designs, but they don’t always go into mass production due to cost, and when they do expense can be an issue.
The t-80 is a good example of one that did go into production but proved too costly to build and operate. So the Russians continued to rely on t-72s instead, fielding much smaller numbers of the 80s.
I really like how they’ve removed the crew from the turret in the Armata. Cool design.
The t-80 is a good example of one that did go into production but proved too costly to build and operate. So the Russians continued to rely on t-72s instead, fielding much smaller numbers of the 80s.
I really like how they’ve removed the crew from the turret in the Armata. Cool design.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 11:08 pm to Lima Whiskey
quote:I don’t summarily dismiss all things Russian but I’d rather have the U.S.’s hand in any potential conflict for the foreseeable future.
The Russians have real advantages in some specific areas that we can not dismiss.
And outside those areas, they produce competent, reliable, and generally inexpensive weapons systems. They may not be cutting edge, but they work.
Obviously, if it escalated to all-out thermo-nuclear war, there’s no winner.
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