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re: Rush Limbaugh thinks evolution is a hoax because gorilla never became human

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Posted by RedRifle
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 3:32 pm to
An even better book:

Posted by LucasP
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 3:32 pm to
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themunch


Good work, take a victory lap and meet back here so we can settle the age of the earth debate.

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Fun Bunch


Hang your head in shame, your side just lost and you are dumb.
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 3:33 pm to
It was certainly a very compelling argument.
Posted by Bmath
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 3:34 pm to
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Or to put it another way, if there was originally a Patient Zero primate, and he/she mutated with a beneficial trait, over the course of many generations it would seem that the beneficial trait would eventually dominate the species because the evolved primate had all of the advantages of regular primates PLUS the mutation - sort of like upgrading the trim level on a car


When two groups of the same species spread out, they may become geographically isolated from one another. The first population may continue to live without really changing over time. However, the other population may need to undergo a series of adaptations to survive.

If the two populations become reproductively isolated from one another, over many generations the two groups can form two distinct species. When the populations become isolated, there is no longer gene flow which prevents any new traits from being shared.

Speciation in animals appears to happen on a geological time scale, and hence why many people have trouble coming to terms with it.
Posted by MrSmith
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 3:35 pm to
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It was certainly a very compelling argument.

It definitely blew my mind
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 3:35 pm to
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what in the frick.


This reminds me of the good old days when we were allowed to argue about evolution over on the PoliBoard...

Posted by themunch
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 3:35 pm to
Success is a beautiful thing.
Posted by Tempratt
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 3:35 pm to
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It astounds me that this guy is seen by so many to be the preeminent voice in politics.


He has stated many times before that he is entertainment.

I used to like him but he gets on my last nerve now.
Posted by themunch
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 3:36 pm to
Rush talks way too much.
Posted by texag7
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 3:37 pm to
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When the populations become isolated, there is no longer gene flow which prevents any new traits from being shared.


This is called allopatric speciation
Posted by CorporateTiger
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 3:39 pm to
To put it another way, most traits are not purely beneficial or detrimental Ina vacuum. Flatter teeth are better for chewing vegetables, while sharper teeth are better for cutting through meat. A geographically isolated primate population which has a different (meat heavier) diet could adapt toward sharper teeth, while a population that subsists on vegetable adapts toward flatter teeth.

If the geographic locations were reversed each beneficial trait would become detrimental. Hence the two environments drive the two populations further apart, causing speciation.
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 3:39 pm to
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Success is a beautiful thing.


I love that you think that you are making a successful argument and everyone isn't just being sarcastic with you.

Bless your heart.
Posted by Blob Fish
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 3:39 pm to
Well, sexuality is like Down Syndrome in that it's at least to some extent probably determined by your chromosomes, but DS is far more straightforward. You can trace DS to one chromosome, but not all traits are like that.

It's likely that multiple genes contribute, as well as genetic modifications, and environmental factors. Scientists will probably never find a "gay gene" just as they will never find a "fat gene". But that doesn't mean that genes don't play a role.
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 3:40 pm to
Posted by TigerTalker142
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 3:43 pm to
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Primates were evolving but now do not. Or did you find some new ones somewhere out there?



It takes hundreds/thousands/millions of generations before new traits generally become widely manifest, and for speciation to take place, assuming a change of environment or some other factor in which adaptability would prove beneficial. In the past 150 years that Evolution as an idea has been around a primate specific speciation event has not been observed because it is an incredibly small time frame on an Evolutionary scale. Does not mean evolution is somehow debunked. Additionally, there is likely not going to be a single, naturally occurring at least, birth where you can pin-pointedly say this offspring is a different species from it's parents.

In other species though evolution has been observable, i.e. wheat plants, some studies done on butterflies, etc.

Edit: It always amazes me when this topic is brought up how many people either did not take a biology class or just dismissed all the evidence put in front of them because "the bible says...".
This post was edited on 6/1/16 at 3:49 pm
Posted by ThuperThumpin
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 3:44 pm to
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That's assuming that sexuality is binary, which is obviously a faulty assumption


I think I see your point but can you elaborate. The person I was responding to was also faulty in his assumption that sexuality determines ones ability or desire to reproduce.
Posted by themunch
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 3:48 pm to
I do not debunk the fact that species can evolve or change as such. I just do not grasp one species changing into another. Because one species has similar items of anatomy does not mean necessarily that they are some how related or have common ancestry.
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 3:49 pm to
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Rush talks way too much.


He should do other things on his radio show besides talk
Posted by cas4t
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 3:51 pm to
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Relax there rainbow warrior


just doing my part for the homo community
Posted by Bmath
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 3:51 pm to
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Because one species has similar items of anatomy does not mean necessarily that they are some how related or have common ancestry.


You're right. A lot of the taxonomic trees established by Linnaeus and his contemporaries have been heavily updated with advances in molecular biology. We now can use phylogenetics to look at percent relatedness based on genome comparisons.
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