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Posted on 6/2/16 at 1:45 pm to Salmon
My cat can play stairway to heaven on a guitar made entirely out of flames. Disprove it.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 1:46 pm to dbeck
frick man
I don't want to disprove that
thats awesome
I don't want to disprove that
thats awesome
Posted on 6/2/16 at 1:47 pm to BigEdLSU
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Ok guys, y'all believe they made the bible up, I believe it came from divine inspiration.
What about the Bhagavad Gita, Avestan, or the Quran?
Posted on 6/2/16 at 1:47 pm to Salmon
Checkmate 
Posted on 6/2/16 at 1:55 pm to BigEdLSU
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It still is irrefutable. Disprove it.
Here's something irrefutable: The Virgin birth and Hell aren't found outside of the Gospels in the NT. Why is that? You'd think in the Book of Acts the Apostles would have preached that. And Paul, all of his books and not one word....maybe the scriptures aren't quite as accurate as you hope.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 1:56 pm to BigEdLSU
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Seriously if you haven't heard of the dead seas scrolls...
The Dead Sea Scrolls aren't from 1400 BC.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 1:58 pm to tuptiger
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It's an RNA world "theory".
Any scientific theory will have a hole or two in it - pinholes compared with the SUV-sized holes in any religious text.
At least scientific theories can be use to make quantifiable predictions that are almost always borne out by multiple and independent sources. No religious text has ever done this. Sure, some do prophesize but none of those prophecies were *independently* documented to be true.
And even if a scientific theory does have an inconsistency, that fact alone is proof of nothing religious. The scientific version is still nearly always the best explanation available.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 1:59 pm to OMLandshark
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The Dead Sea Scrolls aren't from 1400 BC.
Too late. You've already been checkmated.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 2:03 pm to Enadious
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The Virgin birth and Hell aren't found outside of the Gospels in the NT. Why is that?
The virgin birth was not even an original story. Neither were the apostles, or the crucifixion , or the rising from the dead. Non of that is original or unique to the bible.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 2:08 pm to Salmon
quote:Does it not make sense though? Listen, I'm not a bible thumper by any means. Hell, I think the entire Old Testament is some of the most pagan shite you will ever read. I also think that a lot of truth was left out of the bible conveniently and religion is often used as a tool of evil and hypocrisy.
to me...this is just a really convenient way of saying "no matter what scientist find or discover, it will never change my belief because God did it"
which is fine, I guess
its just a really convenient way of looking at things
Posted on 6/2/16 at 2:10 pm to Barf
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he virgin birth was not even an original story. Neither were the apostles, or the crucifixion , or the rising from the dead. Non of that is original or unique to the bible.
So, what you are saying is that older religious texts changed over time, borrowed material from similar writings, and were inspired by god to transform into the Bible we have today?
Hot dog, I just proved evolution and religion all in one post!
Posted on 6/2/16 at 2:17 pm to Bmath
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So, what you are saying is that older religious texts changed over time, borrowed material from similar writings, and were inspired by god to transform into the Bible we have today?
No. Not at all. What I'm saying is the story of Jesus existed long before the bible claims. So what makes jesus' version more credible?
Only one of two things can be going on here. Either the story of Jesus is a retelling of a much older story. Or there were a bunch of other profits of god before jesus who ran around with a bunch of disciples. These profits just so happened to also get nailed to a cross, and then came back from the dead.
It's sill a little weird that we have educated adults who read the bible and said "yep, this one is real. Everything else is a lie"
Posted on 6/2/16 at 2:25 pm to Barf
What I find interesting about having a religion founded in Judaism is that the early Israelites were not necessarily settled on Yahweh as the one true god.
LINK
When you read about ancient peoples and their religions it is interesting how people today have sorted out what they believe to be mythology vs truth.
I'm not at all knocking religion for this. To be someone who seeks truth, at some point you must realize that most people practice a certain religion for cultural reasons. You may not agree with another religion based on your faith in what you have come understand through your own personal spirituality, but you shouldn't simply discredit what someone else believes based on an entirely different cultural upbringing.
So in saying this, its why researchers can't suggest things like intelligent design in their scientific writings. To do so puts your beliefs over others and ignores all other possibilities.
LINK
When you read about ancient peoples and their religions it is interesting how people today have sorted out what they believe to be mythology vs truth.
I'm not at all knocking religion for this. To be someone who seeks truth, at some point you must realize that most people practice a certain religion for cultural reasons. You may not agree with another religion based on your faith in what you have come understand through your own personal spirituality, but you shouldn't simply discredit what someone else believes based on an entirely different cultural upbringing.
So in saying this, its why researchers can't suggest things like intelligent design in their scientific writings. To do so puts your beliefs over others and ignores all other possibilities.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 2:44 pm to Barf
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No. Not at all. What I'm saying is the story of Jesus existed long before the bible claims. So what makes jesus' version more credible?
Only one of two things can be going on here. Either the story of Jesus is a retelling of a much older story. Or there were a bunch of other profits of god before jesus who ran around with a bunch of disciples. These profits just so happened to also get nailed to a cross, and then came back from the dead.
It's sill a little weird that we have educated adults who read the bible and said "yep, this one is real. Everything else is a lie"
Ok, Horus.
Vid 1: Horus Ruins Christmas
Vid 2: Horus Reads the Internet
Posted on 6/2/16 at 2:50 pm to Bmath
It's an interesting conversation for sure. What I would like to hear above all else is a compelling argument for the bible being both original and factual. What is it about the bible specifically that makes it's writings so much more believable?
The story of Horus predates jesus by 3,000 years. What is it about Horus that the story of jesus so easily trumps all other stories before him?
Horus or Jesus?
-He had 12 disciples.
-One was born of a virgin.
-His birth was announced via a star.
-And three wise men showed up!
-He was baptized when he was 30.
-He rose a guy from the dead and walked on water.
-Lastly, he was crucified, buried in a tomb, and resurrected
The story of Horus predates jesus by 3,000 years. What is it about Horus that the story of jesus so easily trumps all other stories before him?
Horus or Jesus?
-He had 12 disciples.
-One was born of a virgin.
-His birth was announced via a star.
-And three wise men showed up!
-He was baptized when he was 30.
-He rose a guy from the dead and walked on water.
-Lastly, he was crucified, buried in a tomb, and resurrected
Posted on 6/2/16 at 2:50 pm to Bmath
double post
This post was edited on 6/2/16 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 6/2/16 at 2:53 pm to Barf
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Horus was born to the goddess Isis after she retrieved all the dismembered body parts of her murdered husband Osiris, except his penis which was thrown into the Nile and eaten by a catfish, or sometimes by a crab, and according to Plutarch's account (see Osiris) used her magic powers to resurrect Osiris and fashion a golden phallus to conceive her son (older Egyptian accounts have the penis of Osiris surviving).
Once Isis knew she was pregnant with Horus, she fled to the Nile Delta marshlands to hide from her brother Set who jealously killed Osiris and who she knew would want to kill their son. There Isis bore a divine son, Horus.
Yeah, that's the same.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 2:58 pm to Barf
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The story of Horus predates jesus by 3,000 years. What is it about Horus that the story of jesus so easily trumps all other stories before him?
Suspending belief for a second, it makes you wonder if much of human history is truly cyclical. Perhaps various biblical events have happened again and again across multiple civilizations. Maybe there really is reincarnation, and we are constantly living out our same shitty lives in an updated time period.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 3:01 pm to Bmath
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Suspending belief for a second, it makes you wonder if much of human history is truly cyclical. Perhaps various biblical events have happened again and again across multiple civilizations. Maybe there really is reincarnation, and we are constantly living out our same shitty lives in an updated time period.
Maybe, but to believe that you would have to operate under the assumption that the earth is older than the bible says.
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