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re: Rush Limbaugh thinks evolution is a hoax because gorilla never became human

Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:32 pm to
Posted by CorporateTiger
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:32 pm to
Logical guesses can be very academic. All the circumstantial evidence here points to you being religious.
Posted by BigEdLSU
All around the south
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:33 pm to
Look, the bible has undisputible verified prophesy. I don't really care what your science teacher taught you. Study the fall of Jericho. Checkmate.
Posted by Bmath
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:34 pm to
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But I can find no such case.


Again, no one is saying that you must be an atheist to understand evolution. Also, Much has been learned about speciation since the time of Darwin.

Science is fun because with each question you answer you often create a new one. You don't stop there assuming it is unknowable or god, you begin working on the answer.
Posted by tuptiger
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:34 pm to
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There is no irreducible complexity to either structure.


Thanks. I'm glad you've clarified what people have been arguing about for quite some time now on the O-T Lounge by appealing to a group of scientists who claim to have refuted it.

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Further, we have conducted excitements that prove that incredibly complex patterns can (and will) form even in the absence of a guiding force. Complexity does not prove there is something guiding it.


You haven't done a damn thing.
Posted by tuptiger
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:35 pm to
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Logical guesses


What's a "logical guess"?
Posted by Pectus
Internet
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:36 pm to
It is the same thing.



LINK
Posted by Langland
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:36 pm to
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Irreducible complexity is the new way of saying intelligent design.

Same thing, different name.

For those that don't know what irreducible means.
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:36 pm to
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Further, we have conducted excitements that prove that incredibly complex patterns can (and will) form even in the absence of a guiding force. Complexity does not prove there is something guiding it.


The classic straw man argument here is "Yea, but entropy!"
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:37 pm to
First you have no clue what expire Rs I have or have not performed.

Second, so every scientist now have to carry out every experiment to rely on the findings on those experiments?

You are completely hiding behind sophistry and obsfucation at this point since you cannot actually debate the facts.
Posted by tuptiger
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:37 pm to
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Central to the creationist concept of intelligent design,


So, because irreducible complexity is "central to the concept of intelligent design, it is in and of itself intelligent design?
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:37 pm to
Ho-lee She-it
Posted by tuptiger
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:38 pm to
Name one fact you used in your argument against irreducible complexity. You appealed to authority.

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There is no irreducible complexity to either structure. We can look at the elements of the eye and even see more rudimentary forms of the eye with gradual increases in complexity. Further, we have conducted excitements that prove that incredibly complex patterns can (and will) form even in the absence of a guiding force. Complexity does not prove there is something guiding it.
This post was edited on 6/2/16 at 12:40 pm
Posted by northshorebamaman
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Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:38 pm to
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What's a "logical guess"?

The Notre Dame logo alone makes it a pretty good guess.
Posted by dbeck
Member since Nov 2014
29454 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:39 pm to
The eye is not irreducibly complex.

A cell produces a protein
A cell produces a protein that is volatile when hit with light
Several cells produce proteins volatile when hit with light

Those cells could be on a flat, convex, or concave surface. Slightly concave and the creature has a slight advantage in sensing which direction the light is coming from. The more convex, the more directional.

The more transparent the cells on top of the eye spots, the more light it senses. The thicker the layer of transparent cells, the more it protects the eye spots.

There you have the beginnings of the lens and the more convex this layer of transparent cells becomes the more focused the light becomes. But a creature does not necessarily need 20/20 vision to have an advantage. It just needs to be statistically better at surviving/reproducing than its peers.
Posted by BigEdLSU
All around the south
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:39 pm to
Want to come face to face with reality? Read Daniel chapter 7-8 and Isaiah chapter 10.
Posted by thegreatboudini
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:39 pm to
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if evolution was real there would be no monkeys left.


Oh my.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:40 pm to
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What's a "logical guess"?


An action you have yet to do in this thread.
Posted by tuptiger
Member since Jan 2008
4314 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:44 pm to
You are describing, in detail, how the eye works. The question of irreducible complexity is the origin of the eye. Better yet, the slight modifications over time that led to the eye as currently in existence.
This post was edited on 6/2/16 at 12:45 pm
Posted by thegreatboudini
Member since Oct 2008
7183 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:45 pm to
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Look, the bible has undisputible verified prophesy. I don't really care what your science teacher taught you. Study the fall of Jericho. Checkmate.


Oh my again. As a scientist who weights certainties and doubts via the scientific method on a daily bases, it hurts my brain to read things like this.

If people wanted a photo with Neil Degreasse Tyson as much as they wanted one with the Pope, we would be light years ahead of where we are now.
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:46 pm to
Woah woah where are your facts though? Did you do each of these experiments yourself? Did you examine each fossil yourself?
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