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re: Ruby Ridge - Why did the Govt get obsessed with Randy Weaver?
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:54 am to NATidefan
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:54 am to NATidefan
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What was their hard-on with him?
He was not a truly threatening individual but was fringe enough that the government felt like they could easily make an example out of him
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Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:55 am to baldona
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Next time can the OP include a reminder to put on our aluminum foil hats before reading threads like this?
What is tinfoil in here minus the federal building post?
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:56 am to NATidefan
That’s the point I realized the us Government and all agencies are pure evil.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:56 am to NATidefan
They were trying to coerce him into becoming an informant. He called their bluff and it spiraled out of control from there.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:57 am to baldona
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baldona
It isn't very often we see the head man tell someone to GTFO of a thread. Congrats on being special.
:blah: 
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:58 am to Deactived
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What is tinfoil in here minus the federal building post?
The post about the okalahoma city bombing being an inside job as a cover up?
Lets see, the entire ATF and FBI apparently baiting all of these people with no options out?
I'll be the first to say there's some bad apples in those organizations, but this idea that they are through and through filled with idiots on witch hunts for the avg citizen is absurd.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:24 pm to NATidefan
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1. Sawed off some shotguns.
At the insistence of an FBI plant, Randy Weaver finally agreed to provide a shotgun whose barrel had been shortened to 17-3/4" (1/4" shorter than "allowable" by law). Keep in mind that this was an undercover agent constantly nagging Weaver to provide this weapon. Weaver had refused to do so on multiple occasions previously.
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2. Went to some white supremacists gatherings.
Don't be so sure that they were actual "white supremacist" gatherings. The group did not preach white supremacy in any shape, fashion, or form. It did, however, advocate personal responsibility and non-reliance on government.
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Missed court dates.... And??? And???
The court dates were changed on at least three separate occasions without informing Weaver, or his counsel, of the changes of date. He had appeared before the court at the original date and was dismissed without providing him with the rescheduled date and time. So you can imagine that it's pretty damned difficult to show up for a scheduled hearing when you haven't been informed of the schedule.
The whole Ruby Ridge fiasco (and subsequent murders committed by the federal government) was a plot dreamed up and executed by the BATF and FBI for reasons unknown to anyone but the lead agents involved. There were multiple infringements of Weaver's rights by the federal agents and agencies involved, yet no one from the federal agencies ever saw the inside of an 8'x8' cell.
As to why they felt the need to persecute, and later prosecute, Weaver I have no idea. Maybe it can be figured out if we take a step back and see what it was that the Clinton's and those who were part of the administration and the DOJ were trying to distract us from at the time.
Bottom line: Our federal government is corrupt, and has been for some time.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:24 pm to Bunk Moreland
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Had to open that full screen, that is a great write up.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:28 pm to baldona
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I'll be the first to say there's some bad apples in those organizations, but this idea that they are through and through filled with idiots on witch hunts for the avg citizen is absurd.
That is not at all what anyone has said
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:29 pm to NATidefan
Ron Jeremy is in jail with no bail
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:30 pm to baldona
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Lets see, the entire ATF and FBI apparently baiting all of these people with no options out?
link to this post?
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:35 pm to Dam Guide
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The FBI negotiator wrote an excellent one. There is a guy who survived the raid that wrote another good one.
ETA Waco by David Thibodeau Stalling for Time by Gary Noesner
The Ashes of Waco by Dick Reavis
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:44 pm to Napoleon
quote:In this entire montage of fricked up FBI/DOJ/Govt stories...
Don't give the poliboard guys facts. They will just downvote and ignore.
Yeah Bush was in office but dammit that didn't fit their narrative.
This little tidbit was all you could do? Are you really defending the govt with this ridiculous gotcha?
You know better to know that I would easily call them both out.
Both Bush & Clinton are POS. GHWBush was magically there to take over as head spook---- for William Colby after he was assassinated... I mean he fell over dead in a canoe.
Look up the Church Committee. Colby just so happen to testify against MKUltra and the vile corruption of the CIA/FBI and died. Was it cleaned up? Hell to the no.
Bush & Clinton were POS. One with fake MIC wars as a shady spook, the other was well, slick Willy & Mena, Arkansas. Yes Oliver North and Reagan were republicans.
They are/were all dirty.
I just predominantly recall WJClinton's entire Presidency being riddled with suicides and corruption. (But he worked with Newt & didn't trash our economy. Kudos to the thug-for decommissioning military bases, gutting the military, to lower the national debt)
But mostly FBI stings with mostly created by govt 'right wing' militia's.
This post was edited on 1/13/23 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:54 pm to upgrayedd
I read it decades ago, in an interview or a book.
WTF are you, Weaver's cousin?
WTF are you, Weaver's cousin?
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:55 pm to Swamp Angel
Solid post
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:58 pm to baldona
Posted on 1/13/23 at 1:02 pm to cajunangelle
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Both Bush & Clinton are POS
Both of these events had little do with Bush or Clinton. These agencies were corrupt to the core and they outright lied to the state of Texas and Janet Reno in the case of Waco. This had little to do with who was sitting in the presidency, but the people running the ATF and FBI. They let the kids with guns and tanks run the show instead of the negotiators. The Gary Noesner book makes it pretty clear who is to blame in Waco. They could have easily prevented the destruction had they listened to the negotiating team and let them do their job instead of being frick sticks that hindered the negotiations every step of the way. That team got a few people out of that place alive and it was showing promise, but then the other idiots would come in and ruin the negotiations every step of the way.
Randy was lucky Bo showed up and got him out alive. People seem to forget Randy successfully sued the government and got a big check for the shite they pulled in that case and seige.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 1:06 pm to Dam Guide
quote:So fking what, man??
People seem to forget Randy successfully sued the government and got a big check for the shite they pulled in that case and seige.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 1:11 pm to Dam Guide
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People seem to forget Randy successfully sued the government and got a big check for the shite they pulled in that case and seige.
100k is a big check in trade for his wife and son being killed?
Eta....he was fined 10k before he collected anything, soooo....90k.
This post was edited on 1/13/23 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 1/13/23 at 1:17 pm to Dam Guide
A corrupt DOJ/CIA/FBI and how much corruption is committed is the reflection of each President.
Until they go against a President that was an outsider. Then the true corruption was clearly seen. Their exact date of full on or halfway corrupt is moot.
So yeah, all of Congress Critters & DC can be blamed for the insanity of repeating the same things expecting different results. Which stands to this very day-unchanged and to the full brute force of rot.
Which is upon itself obstruction to the corruption.
Repeating the same things and doing nothing about it. But who investigates the investigators if they are also corrupt and blackmailed?
Randy's monetary settlements to his family only happened because they couldn't kill all of the witnesses on that mountain and town.
Until they go against a President that was an outsider. Then the true corruption was clearly seen. Their exact date of full on or halfway corrupt is moot.
So yeah, all of Congress Critters & DC can be blamed for the insanity of repeating the same things expecting different results. Which stands to this very day-unchanged and to the full brute force of rot.
Which is upon itself obstruction to the corruption.
Repeating the same things and doing nothing about it. But who investigates the investigators if they are also corrupt and blackmailed?
Randy's monetary settlements to his family only happened because they couldn't kill all of the witnesses on that mountain and town.
This post was edited on 1/13/23 at 1:22 pm
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