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re: Romans versus Vikings. Who wins?
Posted on 8/7/22 at 3:46 pm to Oilfieldbiology
Posted on 8/7/22 at 3:46 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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The Roman’s pre-empire were tough as freaking nails.
"If we are victorious in one more battle with the Romans, we shall be utterly ruined." - Pyrrhus of Epirus
Posted on 8/7/22 at 3:46 pm to fr33manator
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But why would the Vikings fight that fight? That’s like sticking the mongols versus the Maori, but you stick the mongols in an archipelago.
but this was the question asked:
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How would the Vikings fare against the Romans and their formations, armor, and weapons in battle?
And you are talking about ambush type situations.
not at all the same as the question
Posted on 8/7/22 at 3:57 pm to ChineseBandit58
I mean obviously the Vikings wouldn’t stand a chance in open battle. I just think wargaming like that is a bit boring. It’s more of a “how could the underdogs win” sort of thing
Posted on 8/7/22 at 4:00 pm to prplhze2000
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How would the Vikings fare against the Romans and their formations, armor, and weapons in battle
Poorly, the Vikings were masters at marauding and a major part of that advantage was the art of blitzkrieg, if you will.
That said, they’re portrayed far too often as these giant oafish Norsemen, who were useless, unless they going a million miles an hour with their hair-on fire. They were master ship builders and Viking knorr’s were designed for virtually 0 drag in the water, because they were constantly navigating waterways, specifically rivers to engage in trade. They were the consummate middle-men and negotiators from the North Sea down the Volga through the Mediterranean and into Arabia.
The Vikings siege of Paris in 885 turned into a disastrous adventure for the Norsemen and provided the playbook for the Franks, Saxon’s, Goth’s, etc. to eventually repel the Norsemen from their lands.
Posted on 8/7/22 at 4:01 pm to SportsGuyNOLA
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Romans would DESTROY the Vikings
Yet they got beat by barbarians in greater Germany. They wouldn’t even venture on their territory
This post was edited on 8/7/22 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 8/7/22 at 4:20 pm to fr33manator
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The vikings would hit and move on Roman settlements. Rome would pay them off to leave. Much more likely. That, or hire them as mercenaries
Or find an ambitious Dane or Swede or Gaul that wanted to be king of the Norse and ally with them. Romans just have so much to offer aspiring or aggrieved neighbors and are too good at problem solving.
Posted on 8/7/22 at 4:33 pm to xxTIMMYxx
Um, that German loss was not permanent. The Romans came back and retaliated.
Posted on 8/7/22 at 4:33 pm to ned nederlander
Equal numbers of Vikings vs Romans at their peak would have favored the Romans because of discipline and tactics, assuming the leadership was comparable.
The Vikings were more than just raiders. They held large portions of England for many generations and fought standup battles on numerous occasions. They won some and lost some. They were fierce, but not always disciplined or good at working together.
William the Conqueror and the Normans, were Vikings who had settled along the northern French coast.
The Vikings were more than just raiders. They held large portions of England for many generations and fought standup battles on numerous occasions. They won some and lost some. They were fierce, but not always disciplined or good at working together.
William the Conqueror and the Normans, were Vikings who had settled along the northern French coast.
Posted on 8/7/22 at 4:52 pm to prplhze2000
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Um, that German loss was not permanent. The Romans came back and retaliated.
Sometimes you have to hang your hat on giving the evil empire a bloody nose and claiming victory for the season.
2019 still tastes sweet, doesn’t it?
This post was edited on 8/7/22 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 8/7/22 at 4:54 pm to prplhze2000
Posted on 8/7/22 at 5:24 pm to prplhze2000
Vikings ….. with their dragons…. All day long!
Posted on 8/7/22 at 6:14 pm to prplhze2000
The Vikings were far better on the sea than on the ground.
Posted on 8/7/22 at 7:09 pm to conservativewifeymom
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The Vikings were far better on the sea than on the ground.
The vikings were better sailors and ship builders, but in terms of naval warfare, they weren't very sophisticated. They basically just lashed the ships together and fought it out as if they were on land.
After the Romans learned from the Carthaginians, they were much better.
Posted on 8/7/22 at 7:14 pm to prplhze2000
My money would be on the Romans.
Posted on 8/7/22 at 7:33 pm to prplhze2000
Sagittarii Would be a big factor
Posted on 8/7/22 at 8:12 pm to prplhze2000
Didn’t this actually happen?
Posted on 8/7/22 at 8:22 pm to prplhze2000
Have to go with the Romans, because the Viking trophy case is still empty
Posted on 8/7/22 at 8:29 pm to prplhze2000
The best argument stated thus far was the Roman political leaders just paying them off or to act as mercenaries. If they actually came to blows, the Romans would suffer some heavy initial casualties associated with fighting the type of battle style they hadn’t encountered before. Difference is that the Romans would study new tactics, invent new fighting styles, and ultimately make the Vikings work for them as carry mules after a short war.
Posted on 8/7/22 at 8:32 pm to fr33manator
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was just using an example of the legions being defeated when not on their preferred terrain.
Being carefully lured into a trap with thousands of warriors throwing spears over a turf wall with a fen on the other side is a pretty liberal interpretation of "not on their preferred terrain"
They were fricked, it was a brilliant plan and they were lured into it by a man they trusted.
This post was edited on 8/7/22 at 8:35 pm
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