re: Right To Work Laws

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t's still shocking at times to see people so glibly admit they're complete lack of character. It's as wormy as it gets to take the benefits of being in the union yet not being in the union and doing your share.

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What about the union guy that constantly shows up late, finds endless ways to kill time, always doing the bare minimum amount of work he can get by with while being paid the same as his co-worker who does the best possible job he can each day, is he the epitome of character?

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What about the union guy that constantly shows up late,

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Something both companies (union) I worked for didn't put up with. You had 3 strikes in a calendar year (missed work or late) and then the wheels were put in motion to get you in the system.

I have heard a lot of stories but those things didn't happen where I worked.

If people were lazy you called em out. They screw you, you screw em back.

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The state (you as a voter and tax payer) require teachers to have a degree, be highly certified, etc but people like you expect them to make 25k a year.

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If unions are so effective at helping teachers why are their salaries still so low in the majority states, seems like a lot of money wasted on union dues that returned nothing. I taught math and physics, two of the most difficult subjects to find qualified teachers for, why? Because it is requires taking difficult subject matter in college, if you have a aptitude for math you are probably going to major in something like engineering where the pay is much better, instead of going into education where you will be paid the same as a history, or PE teacher. Unions keep much needed people out of education because they wont let salary be determined by merit, supply and demand.

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If unions are so effective at helping teachers why are their salaries still so low in the majority states, seems like a lot of money wasted on union dues that returned nothing. I taught math and physics, two of the most difficult subjects to find qualified teachers for, why? Because it is requires taking difficult subject matter in college, if you have a aptitude for math you are probably going to major in something like engineering where the pay is much better, instead of going into education where you will be paid the same as a history, or PE teacher. Unions keep much needed people out of education because they wont let salary be determined by merit, supply and demand.

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It's commonly known, that a degree in education is not as stringent as other degrees. In other words, those that can, do. Those who can't, teach.

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It's commonly known, that a degree in education is not as stringent as other degrees. In other words, those that can, do. Those who can't, teach.

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Agreed with the with the exception of Math, Physics, Chemistry. A degree in mathematics education requires almost the same mathematics course sequence as a engineering degree, so most people that can "do" that go into engineering not education and hence the shortage of math teachers, like wise for the sciences. My point to the other poster who said unions helped teachers with pay was given the overall low pay for teachers they have not received much in return for being in a union.

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Agreed with the with the exception of Math, Physics, Chemistry. A degree in mathematics education requires almost the same mathematics course sequence as a engineering degree, so most people that can "do" that go into engineering not education and hence the shortage of math teachers, like wise for the sciences. My point to the other poster who said unions helped teachers with pay was given the overall low pay for teachers they have not received much in return for being in a union.

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I knew a guy who was extremely educated in math. Had to move 2.5 hours away to get a public school teaching job. He's now moved on from that shite-show and working at a university. I also know a young lady who just started teaching at an elementary school. She wanted to go into marketing, she had aptitude for it, but couldn't do simple math. She's now teaching kids.

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I have heard a lot of stories but those things didn't happen where I worked.

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I worked a couple summers during college in a union plant. No one was ever late, and they did not dare step foot off the premises until after the shift ended. Why? Because their arse would have been fired. It was strict as hell, and no one took comfort that the union would save them.

I know a few railroad employees. The railroads are union, and they fire or suspend people all the time for stuff as simple as speeding on the train or violating a safety rule. The union sometimes helps them get their job back, but it’s certainly not something that allows shitty employees to be shitty without consequences.

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A temp, auto-plant, line worker making $12/hour? You are full of shite.

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He's not lying. After the housing crisis Mercedes had 2 huge buy outs and got rid of a third of their workforce. After they rebounded, added 2 new vehicles and doubled production they filled 80 to 90 percent of the new positions with temps and a lot of those temp companies pay $12 an hour. Some do pay 14 to 16 an hour for more skilled workers, but that's still no where close to what a full Mercedes team member makes. It's becoming a big point of contention among the workers because a lot of the temps aren't even worth paying that much and their work quality shows it.

Plus, you guys wouldn't know this but Mercedes is forcing their workers to pay back a portion of their bonus from 2017 claiming they were overpaid, but they aren't showing any proof. There are a lot of problems inside that plant that most people aren't hearing about and a growing number of workers are feeling taken advantage of. I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't a union shop in the next couple of years.

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My personal opinion is the right to work laws benefit the employer. They can fire you for any reason at any time. They can really give you the business. States that aren’t “right to work” states have much better employee conditions IMO.

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What you are describing is employment at will. Different law baw.