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re: Richard Hammond reveals the new Land Rover Defender

Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:35 pm to
Posted by JBeam
Guns,Germs & Steel
Member since Jan 2011
68377 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:35 pm to
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Much better vehicles that don’t scream “I’m a try hard”

Nothing about this vehicle screams this. You are just projecting.
Posted by jordan21210
Member since Apr 2009
14228 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:38 pm to
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If shopping in that price range, I would just get a land cruiser


LOL. You have any idea what Land Cruiser MSRP is? These are not the same price range unless you’re shopping a loaded Defender 110.
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
43536 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:42 pm to
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
Member since Jan 2019
30962 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:47 pm to
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It looks like it has eyeballs


They look cool.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 8:01 pm to
It looks strange, and it’s not something I’d use in the back country.

They should have looked at their competitors in this market.

Jeep has done a great job updating the Wrangler. Mercedes has done a fine job with the Gelundewagen.

That’s how you do it.
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 8:02 pm
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 8:04 pm to
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Looks like a Honda Element fricked a Toyota FJ.


It’s awful.
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
40216 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 8:05 pm to
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Because British cars are well know for their ability to handle electronics properly...


All the more reason to buy a Land Cruiser.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 8:06 pm to
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Land Rover is now an Indian company.


And you can see that influence in the designs. It’s really not the company that it was.

They’ve followed the money, which is was prudent, and become a lifestyle brand.

They’ve also gotten really garish. Which is unfortunate.
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 8:55 pm
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 8:10 pm to
BMW and Ford fixed Land Rover. The third generation Range Rover, the Range Rover Sport, and the Discovery III were well built and reliable cars.
This post was edited on 9/12/19 at 11:12 am
Posted by mule74
Watersound Beach
Member since Nov 2004
12985 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 8:16 pm to
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Says the person who can't afford a land rover. The reliability issues were solved long ago


BULL. shite.

Two of my colleagues dumped their Ranges last year after they were constantly in the shop.

Posted by Spasweezy
Unfortunately, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2014
7268 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 8:43 pm to
No projection. I drive a Tacoma.
Posted by Spasweezy
Unfortunately, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2014
7268 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 8:44 pm to
My Land Rover spent almost more time in the shop than in my garage.
Posted by Arbengal
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2008
3520 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:10 pm to
So have I and I feel the same way you do. The Gwagon redo this year is a fantastic example of how to pull it off. They completely blew it.
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
17356 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:12 pm to
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The reliability issues were solved long ago


Well, that’s just not true, is it?
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
76148 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:27 pm to
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Because British cars are well know for their ability to handle electronics properly...
Lord Lucas, Prince of Darkness
Posted by IceTiger
Really hot place
Member since Oct 2007
26584 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:29 pm to
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manual transmission.



Da fuq???

Posted by jordan21210
Member since Apr 2009
14228 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:41 pm to
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And you can see that influence in the designs. It’s really not the company that it was. They’ve followed the money, which is was prudent, and become a lifestyle brand. They’ve also gotten really garish. Which is unfortunate.


Wtf, so what about a Land Rover looks Indian? What would Indian design even look like - a tuktuk?? What a dumb statement.

FYI, read any review on the Land Rover lineup, especially the Range Rover, and they praise it for still having off-road prowess while delivering top notch luxury. Not sure if you were aware, but LR has been a premium/luxury off road brand for majority of its history...everything they build still falls within that pedigree.

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BMW and Ford fixed Land Rover. The third generation Range Rover, the Range Rover Sport, and the Discovery III are well built and reliable cars.


BMW did not fix the Rover. It was mostly Ford/Jaguar and Tata Motors. I’d argue more so Tata Motors bc the 3rd gen Range Rover could hardly be considered a reliable vehicle. Resale value tells that story.


ETA: and you praised the G wagon earlier. In what world is a Range Rover more garish than a G wagon?
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 9:49 pm
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 9/12/19 at 1:11 am to
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Wtf, so what about a Land Rover looks Indian?


You've seen the silly colored lights on the latest generation of Range Rovers?

They look like jingle trucks.

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but LR has been a premium/luxury off road brand for majority of its history


They moved into the luxury market in the 90s.

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everything they build still falls within that pedigree.


The Freelander? The Evoque? The Sport?

You're going to rip off the body cladding to start with.

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BMW did not fix the Rover.


They completed overhauled production practices, vehicles were no longer hand painted!, cancelled the P38, and initiated development on the L322, the first reliable vehicle LR produced. They're also deserve credit for the Discovery 3, and the Range Rover Sport.

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3rd gen Range Rover could hardly be considered a reliable vehicle


The BMW block leaked oil. And that's about it.

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Resale value tells that story.


It tells you how desirable it is on the secondary market.
This post was edited on 9/12/19 at 1:18 am
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