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'Revenge for our dead' - Russians are writing messages on their bombs

Posted on 11/21/15 at 9:53 am
Posted by RedRifle
Austin/NO
Member since Dec 2013
8335 posts
Posted on 11/21/15 at 9:53 am
I like it. The last country on earth that you think would be at the forefront of fighting for western civilization.

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The BBC's Steve Rosenberg in Moscow says that in the Russian defence ministry video soldiers can be seen writing messages on the bombs before loading them onto the aircraft - phrases like: "This is revenge for our dead" and "This is for Paris".

iRussia says its intensified its air raids on what it calls "terrorist" targets in Syria and raised to 69 the number of its aircraft there.
But President Vladimir Putin said the current level of attacks was not enough to defeat so-called Islamic State (IS).
Russia said it fired cruise missiles for a fourth day against IS targets. The long-range missiles were launched from Caspian Sea warships.

Col Patrick Ryder, a spokesman for US Central Command, said the Russian air strikes in recent days targeted more IS areas, including the group's oil infrastructure.


In four days of heavy bombing against IS, the ministry said, more than 100 cruise missiles were launched and more than 800 "terrorist" targets destroyed in Syria.
Mr Putin said Russia still faced a lot of work. He expressed hope that the next phases would "produce the expected result", but did not clarify what those phases would be.


Posted by ForeverLSU02
Albany
Member since Jun 2007
52585 posts
Posted on 11/21/15 at 9:55 am to
frick Russia. They're just practicing for the real thing
Posted by Hangover Haven
Metry
Member since Oct 2013
34813 posts
Posted on 11/21/15 at 9:55 am to
I don't think that's anything new....
Posted by redstick13
Lower Saxony
Member since Feb 2007
41386 posts
Posted on 11/21/15 at 9:57 am to
One of my employees lives in Beirut. He was scheduled to fly here today. When he arrived at the airport they told him no flights out until Monday because Russia has control of the airspace. I think they're going in deep this weekend.
Posted by roadGator
DeBoar’s dome
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 11/21/15 at 9:57 am to
Not new at all.
Posted by RATeamWannabe
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2009
26018 posts
Posted on 11/21/15 at 9:57 am to
Would be better if they said "From Russia With Love"
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481222 posts
Posted on 11/21/15 at 9:58 am to
quote:

would be at the forefront of fighting for western civilization.

they're not doing this at all

they're primarily focusing on rebel groups (that we support) who are in opposition to Assad. ISIS is secondary

their support of Assad is directly against western civilizations and is a power play for Russian/eastern interests
Posted by RedRifle
Austin/NO
Member since Dec 2013
8335 posts
Posted on 11/21/15 at 10:01 am to
Wrong. Assad while an authoritarian leader is the best choice in Syria. Unless you want Isis to run Syria. But hey these wise guys in Washington had Mubarak removed and got stuck with the Muslim brotherhood.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481222 posts
Posted on 11/21/15 at 10:02 am to
quote:

Assad while an authoritarian leader is the best choice in Syria

for Russia

not for the US

Posted by Methuselah
On da Riva
Member since Jan 2005
23350 posts
Posted on 11/21/15 at 10:03 am to
Well, wouldn't be the first time we find ourselves fighting a common enemy with Russia. War, like politics makes strange bedfellows sometimes.

Now whether we could agree with them on some type of negotiated desired outcome between us, Russia and other countries is a whole different question.
Posted by RedRifle
Austin/NO
Member since Dec 2013
8335 posts
Posted on 11/21/15 at 10:05 am to
Actually for all of the world. He provides stability in that part of the world. Are you one of those people that believes they will have free and fair elections one day and be a European-style democracy?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481222 posts
Posted on 11/21/15 at 10:07 am to
quote:

Are you one of those people that believes they will have free and fair elections one day and be a European-style democracy?

no. where did i say that?

we have our own authoritarian leader/group that isn't Assad and isn't ISIS that we want to install in order to weaken Russian interests

Russia has its puppet leader (Assad) that it wants to remain in power to weaken Western/US interests

ISIS is a secondary villain
Posted by BRgetthenet
Member since Oct 2011
118271 posts
Posted on 11/21/15 at 10:10 am to
I don't see Russians shooting up Paris or trying to convert the entire earth to Islam.
Posted by RedRifle
Austin/NO
Member since Dec 2013
8335 posts
Posted on 11/21/15 at 10:10 am to
Dude. Look at Assad and his dad and their control of the country, military, business, tribal leaders etc. removing Assad will create a vacuum and he is the classic case of the devil you know. Is gassing his people wrong? Of course it's horrid. But he's a secular ruler and that's all that counts. These people value life differently.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481222 posts
Posted on 11/21/15 at 10:12 am to
quote:

I don't see Russians shooting up Paris or trying to convert the entire earth to Islam.

i don't see Assad supporters or the primary rebel groups of the civil war doing so, either. that was ISIS, who is a 3rd actor in Syria

*ETA: there is also a 4th major group, the Kurds, who are fighting, essentially, for their own independence (and whom Turkey is bombing)
This post was edited on 11/21/15 at 10:13 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481222 posts
Posted on 11/21/15 at 10:14 am to
quote:

Look at Assad and his dad and their control of the country, military, business, tribal leaders etc. removing Assad will create a vacuum and he is the classic case of the devil you know. Is gassing his people wrong? Of course it's horrid. But he's a secular ruler and that's all that counts. These people value life differently.

arguing "Assad v. ISIS" has no bearing on my commentary about Russian and American interests

to go back to my original comments. Russia is not fighting for the West. they are fighting for Russia and its eastern imperial interests
This post was edited on 11/21/15 at 10:15 am
Posted by RedRifle
Austin/NO
Member since Dec 2013
8335 posts
Posted on 11/21/15 at 10:14 am to
The Kurds are a totally different argument. They will never be independent and we have pissed off turkey but helping them. An see need turkey much more than those gypsies. We need that air space "but Obama don't care".

Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
84835 posts
Posted on 11/21/15 at 10:15 am to
quote:

I like it. The last country on earth that you think would be at the forefront of fighting for western civilization.


Not even close
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 11/21/15 at 10:17 am to
ISIS needs a safe space
Posted by RedRifle
Austin/NO
Member since Dec 2013
8335 posts
Posted on 11/21/15 at 10:17 am to
quote:

to go back to my original comments. Russia is not fighting for the West. they are fighting for Russia and its eastern imperial interests


In this specific instance those interests are more in line with western values than our current president's. Having a stable, strong and secular ruler is much better for all of us. Our president has no plan.
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