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re: Restaurants charging a credit card fee. Is this new?

Posted on 7/18/19 at 1:38 pm to
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 7/18/19 at 1:38 pm to
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Does Edward Jones reimburse for meals or does that have to come out of your pocket? I'm curious


I don't know I have my investments with reputable shops.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
36954 posts
Posted on 7/18/19 at 1:39 pm to
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Next time I pay in cash, I'm going to demand a 2.75% discount. What do you think they will tell me?


You're too smart to keep making these stupid arguments.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
36954 posts
Posted on 7/18/19 at 1:40 pm to
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It's literally the exact same thing.


Yeah but it makes stupid people feel better about it.
Posted by BigJake
Baton rouge
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 7/18/19 at 1:40 pm to
They are not violating their agreement. A federal law was passed a few years ago that changed the rules of processing fees. It is now perfectly legal and acceptable to pass fees on to the consumer.
Posted by BobABooey
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2004
15930 posts
Posted on 7/18/19 at 1:41 pm to
If you pay cash, always ask for a complete receipt of the transaction. Lots of smaller places have no qualms of cancelling a cash transaction so it stays off the books and out of the tax man’s sight.
Posted by VeniVidiVici
Gaul
Member since Feb 2012
1728 posts
Posted on 7/18/19 at 1:41 pm to
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we have a ATM right over there


Which probably charges a $3 withdrawal fee.

Just like a few years ago at Jones Creek Cafe in BR
This post was edited on 7/18/19 at 1:44 pm
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40216 posts
Posted on 7/18/19 at 1:45 pm to
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You do realize this isn’t always the case,


That's the fault of the business owner for not doing his due diligence, not the fault of the customer.

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and whether it’s a percentage or a flat fee, it still has to come off their bottom line and is a cost of doing business regardless of what it is?


Sure, that's exactly it. It's a cost of doing business.

If my wife (no pics) goes to the bathroom while there, she uses toilet paper in their bathroom. Toilet paper is a cost of doing business. If she doesn't use the restroom, can I ask for a reduction in my bill?

If I sit outside on the patio (at a place that has one) then I don't get any benefit from the a/c inside the building. Running the a/c is a cost of business. Do I get a discount for that?

What if I ask for no ice in my drink? Running an ice machine is a cost of business. Can I ask for my savings?
Posted by bbrownso
Member since Mar 2008
8985 posts
Posted on 7/18/19 at 1:46 pm to
VISA Surcharging FAQ PDF

Mastercard Surcharging page

Standard rules tend to be that the surcharge cannot exceed 4%. Some quick googling also leads me to believe that the maximum "minimum for credit card purchases" is $10; over that is a breach of federal law.

Finally, it appears that debit cards CANNOT be surcharged.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
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Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 7/18/19 at 1:48 pm to
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You're too smart to keep making these stupid arguments.


I'm exaggerating for effect, but if there is "no difference" between charging a fee for use or a discount for non-use, than I think my argument is extremely valid.

If your argument is that a company incurs additional expense when a customer uses a card, and you are ok with that expense being passed along to the customer as an additional fee, then you should also be ok with a customer asking for a discount if they don't use a card, and the company normally just "builds the fee" into their prices.
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
37955 posts
Posted on 7/18/19 at 1:49 pm to
I disagree with adding a specific charge for this. I'd rather a business just raise prices. Credit card feeds are a substantial cost though
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21695 posts
Posted on 7/18/19 at 1:50 pm to
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Just raise the price of everything by 3% to make up for it


Hmm this seems like a convenient way to also get rid of tips all together...
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
36954 posts
Posted on 7/18/19 at 1:51 pm to
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I'm exaggerating for effect


Clearly


quote:

if there is "no difference" between charging a fee for use or a discount for non-use, than I think my argument is extremely valid.


Not really because every example you've used is retarded, exaggerated, and nonsensical

quote:

If your argument is that a company incurs additional expense when a customer uses a card, and you are ok with that expense being passed along to the customer as an additional fee, then you should also be ok with a customer asking for a discount if they don't use a card, and the company normally just "builds the fee" into their prices.


This happens all the time
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
14261 posts
Posted on 7/18/19 at 1:56 pm to
All the courthouses in Alabama have an added fee for using a CC.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40216 posts
Posted on 7/18/19 at 1:56 pm to
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This happens all the time


Are you saying that "all the time" businesses, especially restaurants, discount for cash?

I don't see that. Maybe I am missing something. I might start paying more with cash and less with card, and start asking more questions, and see what happens.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
36954 posts
Posted on 7/18/19 at 1:58 pm to
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Are you saying that "all the time" businesses, especially restaurants, discount for cash?


That's not what you said
Posted by dbeck
Member since Nov 2014
29454 posts
Posted on 7/18/19 at 2:00 pm to
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If your argument is that a company incurs additional expense when a customer uses a card, and you are ok with that expense being passed along to the customer

This is already built into the cost of everything you purchase.

Lowering the price and charging a fee for using a card is the exact same net cost as giving a discount for paying with cash.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
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Member since Jul 2009
40216 posts
Posted on 7/18/19 at 2:00 pm to
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That's not what you said


Here's what I said.

quote:

If your argument is that a company incurs additional expense when a customer uses a card, and you are ok with that expense being passed along to the customer as an additional fee, then you should also be ok with a customer asking for a discount if they don't use a card, and the company normally just "builds the fee" into their prices.


So, I'll ask you again...

quote:

Are you saying that "all the time" businesses, especially restaurants, discount for cash?
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
36954 posts
Posted on 7/18/19 at 2:01 pm to
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Are you saying that "all the time" businesses, especially restaurants, discount for cash?


Yes
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
86539 posts
Posted on 7/18/19 at 2:02 pm to
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It's not new.

Let the free market do its thing.
do you think they were upfront and told him he'd be paying a CC fee when he walked in?
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40216 posts
Posted on 7/18/19 at 2:06 pm to
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Yes


So you are saying non-restaurant businesses are more likely to discount than restaurant businesses are?

If so, why do you think that is that way?

(BTW, I think that is correct, but I'm curious if your reasining is the same as mine)
This post was edited on 7/18/19 at 2:07 pm
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