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re: Researcher: childhood leukemia a result of lack of exposure to germs
Posted on 12/31/18 at 3:21 pm to 14caratgoldjones
Posted on 12/31/18 at 3:21 pm to 14caratgoldjones
quote:If you were born in the US (or most of Europe in the past 50+ years), then yes, you did come from a globally affluent background.
I had childhood Leukemia and didn’t come from an affluent background.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 3:26 pm to SlapahoeTribe
I know this is anecdotal, but my cousin died of leukemia and was born on a farm to a family of hunters and fishermen. No way the child wasn't exposed to germs
Posted on 12/31/18 at 3:26 pm to Jim Rockford
I don't know about leukemia specifically, but I know there's now a push to expose infants and young children to more allergens. It's my understanding that there's been research which shows one of the reasons we become allergic to something is because in our very early years our immune systems never were exposed to them and therefor never learned how to react to them. So, what's in the OP seems like it could make sense.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 3:30 pm to Hester Carries
Dwight Schrute is a genius!
Posted on 12/31/18 at 3:31 pm to Jim Rockford
Roll your kids around in the mud and feed them some dirt to prevent leukemia.
Sounds about right?
Sounds about right?
Posted on 12/31/18 at 3:35 pm to The Mick
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Can't wait for some OT medical input....
This dude is a fricking idiot and most likely trying to sell something.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 3:42 pm to IllegalPete
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This dude is a fricking idiot and most likely trying to sell something.
Relax and Go get a flu shot Pete
Posted on 12/31/18 at 3:43 pm to Permit
quote:I think it has less to do with specific exposures and more to do with overall and long-term healthcare and general societal health. Someone born on a farm in the US, even with living a "rustic" lifestyle, is without a doubt going to be more environmentally "coddled" than someone born in east Africa, Indo-China, or the jungles of South America. Everything from vaccines, to clean water, uncontaminated food, healthcare access, etc. contributes to your health.
I know this is anecdotal, but my cousin died of leukemia and was born on a farm to a family of hunters and fishermen. No way the child wasn't exposed to germs
Over even longer time scales we can see how things like lactose tolerance came from the primarily European peoples because of their more prevalent domestication of milk producing animals.
The Jewish people are significantly more likely to get Tay-Sachs. Those of African descent are more likely to have Sickle cell because of their long term exposure to Malaria and the body's response to it.
Just my armchair medical opinion.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 3:58 pm to IllegalPete
quote:Seems to be.
This dude is a fricking idiot
Posted on 12/31/18 at 4:07 pm to IllegalPete
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This dude is a fricking idiot and most likely trying to sell something.
Very generalized overview, but here is a frame of reference:
There are many types of cancer. Each have their own risk factors and tumor biology
What is cancer at it’s basics = dysregulated cell growth
What dysregulates the system = genetics, exposures, environment (genetics load the gun and the others pull the trigger)
What tends to keep the outliers (mutated cells) in check = a healthy functioning immune system
What keeps the immune system healthy = see my OP in this thread, along with mitigating stress
It should make sense that if you are inputing shite into your system you are doubly fricking yourself on both the exposure side and maintenance of the immune system side...
Hence, the immune system is a great avenue to pursue treating cancer at a “root” level
Guess what:
This is a good thing, but still reductionist in thought/intent (but a step in the right direction) as the immune system can be a fickle bitch...
Better yet, optimize on the front end to help with prevention ( especially if you have a genetically loaded gun...)
This post was edited on 12/31/18 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 12/31/18 at 4:12 pm to ThinePreparedAni
What are the must have daily vitamins we lack you or Gumbo said?
This post was edited on 1/1/19 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 12/31/18 at 4:14 pm to Jim Rockford
my kids played in dirt- all healthy thank God. a relative was a germ freak with the special soap and her kids were always sick.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 4:20 pm to ThinePreparedAni
quote:We could start there.
especially if you have a genetically loaded gun...
The author incorrectly claims acute lymphoblastic leukemia is caused by an in utero genetic mutation which is not inherited. That is simply not true.
ALL susceptibility is absolutely influenced by genetic inheritance.
Including such fundamental flaws in the foundational hypothesis is simply inexcusable.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 4:23 pm to ThinePreparedAni
If 15-20% of cancers are linked to viral and bacterial infections, it makes sense that an immune system that has more antibodies against them would be less likely to get cancer. Exposures are how we develop them so I think this is a legitimately exciting thing to study.
We already vaccinate against the virus that causes certain cervical and throat cancers. We know that the majority of our immune system lives in our gut.
Cancer vaccines and anti-cancer probiotics sound great to me. Science is awesome.
Cancer.org
We already vaccinate against the virus that causes certain cervical and throat cancers. We know that the majority of our immune system lives in our gut.
Cancer vaccines and anti-cancer probiotics sound great to me. Science is awesome.
Cancer.org
This post was edited on 12/31/18 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 12/31/18 at 4:25 pm to ThinePreparedAni
Cum hoc ergo propter hoc
Posted on 12/31/18 at 4:26 pm to DLauw
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The anti-vaxers aren’t gonna like this at all what? I’m pretty sure that’s the entire stance of the “anti-vaxers “
Do you understand how vaccines work?
Posted on 12/31/18 at 4:27 pm to cajunangelle
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What are the must have daily vitamins we lack you or Gumbo said? What is real interesting is a case study done on men and women with the mesh put in for UI and or hernia's. The mesh caused auto immune and a severe Vitamin D insufficiency in a lot of cases.
I would strive to get most vitamins/nutrients from a balanced diet (whole foods, nutrient dense foods, real foods, etc)
This takes care of most requirements
Simple, yet difficult for most to pull off due to modernity...
That said, some are more difficult to obtain than others:
Vit D is low in many folks due to modernity (working indoors, avoiding the sun, wearing makeup...). I would be willing to wager that most of the folks who had mesh issues may have been D deficient at baseline. D also augments the immune response. Again, we may have a correlation/causation issue.
Vitamin K2 (found in grass fed butter, otherwise absent in Westernized diet)
Magnesium and zinc may also be worthy of supplementation(difficult to get from the diet)
Skip fish oil in a pill. Get it from eating the fish
PS: the other inputs I listed (sleep, movement) are likely more important than taking a bunch of vitamins. It is hard to conceptualize this in the pharama funded “one pill, one cure model”. View these inputs as force multipliers into the system (they are just that...)
This post was edited on 12/31/18 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 12/31/18 at 4:31 pm to Jim Rockford
This is why I refuse to wash my hands after taking a dump and wiping. I also shake hands with everyone for an extended period to pass along my good health.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 4:35 pm to Jim Rockford
I remember a little boy in my class having leukemia. This was back in the 70s when it was pretty much a death sentence. Think he made it to about 4th or 5th grade. Terrible disease.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 4:40 pm to ThinePreparedAni
Thanks. All very interesting and I agree with TVT and hernia mesh patients probably being marginal. K2 and I think Gumbo said a B numbered vitamin? I started ALIVE vitamins and a certain brand of them were the only ones that had the two GumboPot mentioned.
An MD once told me for sinus problems congestion/colds take Immune C with Zinc and Echinacea. It really works!
Also in the women's health pelvic floor mesh issue--the mesh caused severe infections/UTI's. No antibiotic worked for the UTI's. D-Mannose (now with cran-actin) which has an explanation of how it works that is so interesting-- did work.
An MD once told me for sinus problems congestion/colds take Immune C with Zinc and Echinacea. It really works!
Also in the women's health pelvic floor mesh issue--the mesh caused severe infections/UTI's. No antibiotic worked for the UTI's. D-Mannose (now with cran-actin) which has an explanation of how it works that is so interesting-- did work.
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