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re: Report: TOPS mostly benefits students from white, affluent families
Posted on 2/14/16 at 12:46 pm to ksayetiger
Posted on 2/14/16 at 12:46 pm to ksayetiger
I was waiting for this thread. This all boils down to the family structure and a seemingly never-ending cycle of not being able to find a way out of the streets.
When I have a traditional class(not honors) of 50/50 black and white kids, I would say 90% of the white kids have a family of some sort to go home to and 70% have a vehicle of their own to get them there. When they get home, they have at least one parent around to make sure they get their homework done, or at the very least the parent knows what is going on with their grades by logging into the website to check on them (often daily).
When it comes to my AA kids, the percentages are almost completely flipped. A good 80% of them are raising themselves when they get home (that they often walk home to). I've had parents not able to call me back because they were arrested that night. Very few of them come to parent/teacher night, and very few log in online to check on their child's grades. This could be from a lack of caring or a lack of resources. When you don't have that support system at home, it takes some really strong intrinsic motivation to get you out of the cycle. Obviously, this isn't a 100% situation, but these kids need more programs in place that actually work and help them rise above the situation they are currently in and see a future outside of the street they live on.
When I have a traditional class(not honors) of 50/50 black and white kids, I would say 90% of the white kids have a family of some sort to go home to and 70% have a vehicle of their own to get them there. When they get home, they have at least one parent around to make sure they get their homework done, or at the very least the parent knows what is going on with their grades by logging into the website to check on them (often daily).
When it comes to my AA kids, the percentages are almost completely flipped. A good 80% of them are raising themselves when they get home (that they often walk home to). I've had parents not able to call me back because they were arrested that night. Very few of them come to parent/teacher night, and very few log in online to check on their child's grades. This could be from a lack of caring or a lack of resources. When you don't have that support system at home, it takes some really strong intrinsic motivation to get you out of the cycle. Obviously, this isn't a 100% situation, but these kids need more programs in place that actually work and help them rise above the situation they are currently in and see a future outside of the street they live on.
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Posted on 2/14/16 at 12:47 pm to N2cars
Like Patrick Ewing said..."yeah we make a lot if money, but we spend a lot too"
Posted on 2/14/16 at 12:50 pm to ksayetiger
Also I would assume the correlation between combined incomes and two responsible parents households....which means those 2 responsible parents promote school work and studying as a top priority....
Nothing to do with white and black
Nothing to do with white and black
Posted on 2/14/16 at 12:50 pm to ksayetiger
quote:
Well I guess TOPS IS racist. Good idea to get rid of all racist things to better the state
Posted on 2/14/16 at 1:18 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
Tops in its original form (LTCP) had an income cap and was designed by Patrick Taylor for low income folks. Do a little research.
TOPS history
TOPS history
Posted on 2/15/16 at 12:14 am to Bullfrog
Thanks for reminding me
Posted on 2/15/16 at 6:05 am to ksayetiger
quote:
quote: According to the report, released December 2015, 75 percent of students who received the awards in 2014 were white, with a majority coming from families who make at least $70,000 in annual income.
Any race can get TOPS.
Good idea is to implement one for just for white kids. That will work.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 6:16 am to reginaphilange
quote:white privilege
I would say 90% of the white kids have a family
Posted on 2/15/16 at 6:32 am to Armymann50
quote:
57.6% of black children, 31.2% of Hispanic children, and 20.7% of white children are living absent their biological fathers. Source: Family Structure and Children's Living Arrangements 2012. Current Population Report. U.S. Census Bureau J
Posted on 2/15/16 at 7:20 am to ksayetiger
quote:
According to the report, released December 2015, 75 percent of students who received the awards in 2014 were white, with a majority coming from families who make at least $70,000 in annual income.
Penalizes the working class, that will fix every thing.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 7:22 am to ksayetiger
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This post was edited on 2/15/16 at 7:23 am
Posted on 2/15/16 at 7:26 am to LSUTANGERINE
does that include divorced households/stepfathers?
Posted on 2/15/16 at 7:28 am to ksayetiger
No surprise there. It's a subsidy to the upper-middle-class. The worst kind of subsidy there is. Moving it to a ACT 28 will take care of that and it will become a scholarship for scholars. It will still go to the upper-middle-class but at least it's for a legitimate purpose and an investment in the state's future
This post was edited on 2/15/16 at 7:32 am
Posted on 2/15/16 at 7:33 am to Overbrook
Report: Athletic Scholarships mostly benefit students from black, lower income families.
Discuss...
Discuss...
Posted on 2/15/16 at 7:37 am to ksayetiger
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from families who make at least $70,000 in annual income.
So $70k between 2 people is considered affluent?
Guess I've made it guys. Time to pop a $4 bottle
Posted on 2/15/16 at 7:52 am to TigerBait1127
Yeah, I know. Not even equal to two school teacher salaries. But I assume the number is what it is because of all the families with zero income. I'd like to see numbers for working families.
I agree with prior posters that TOPS is probably too easy to attain, but claiming it discriminates is a perfect example of what is wrong with this country. It is totally based on merit, with no race or need considerations, but because some people have a harder time qualifying, it is claimed to be discriminatory. Well, if the schools in a given area don't get the job done, fix the school, make education more of a priority, get rid of the poor teachers, whatever it takes. Don't drag down the people who do well, work to raise the kids who do poorly. No, it is easier to claim bias than to accept the truth that in the black community, too many schools fail, too many students don't care, and too many teachers are just going through the motions. No one wants to see kids and schools fail. If a problem exists, fix it, and quit blaming something that happened long ago.
I agree with prior posters that TOPS is probably too easy to attain, but claiming it discriminates is a perfect example of what is wrong with this country. It is totally based on merit, with no race or need considerations, but because some people have a harder time qualifying, it is claimed to be discriminatory. Well, if the schools in a given area don't get the job done, fix the school, make education more of a priority, get rid of the poor teachers, whatever it takes. Don't drag down the people who do well, work to raise the kids who do poorly. No, it is easier to claim bias than to accept the truth that in the black community, too many schools fail, too many students don't care, and too many teachers are just going through the motions. No one wants to see kids and schools fail. If a problem exists, fix it, and quit blaming something that happened long ago.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:03 am to ksayetiger
Report:
"Universe to end tomorrow; women and minorities hardest hit."
"Universe to end tomorrow; women and minorities hardest hit."
Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:11 am to ksayetiger
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In 1989, the original Louisiana Taylor Plan became law as a result of Mr. Patrick F. Taylor’s educational initiatives. Governor Roemer signed ACT 789 into law creating the first state-funded, merit-based college tuition program in the country called the Louisiana College Tuition Plan (LCTP). Students were required to earn 17.5 units in the core curriculum, score a minimum 18 composite score on the ACT, and earn a 2.5 grade point average. In 1992, the program was renamed the Tuition Assistance Plan (TAP) by ACT 887 and ACT 718. Both programs had an income cap.
In 1997, Governor Foster signed into law ACT 1375 and ACT 287 changing TAP to the Tuition Opportunity Program for Students (TOPS). The income cap was removed, the program was broadened and the core curriculum was adjusted to 16.5 units. With this law, all Louisiana students became eligible for awards based on their academic performance.
They should just be upfront about this stuff. It was originally created to be need based......and then poof it wasn't.
Just say it was an effort to keep more kids in state to avoid a "brain drain" and be done with it.
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