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re: Report of Demon Possesion in Indiana
Posted on 1/28/14 at 1:21 pm to The First Cut
Posted on 1/28/14 at 1:21 pm to The First Cut
Evil and suffering. Something isn't adding up - Colin Mcginn another great watch. Please go on
Great series might I add. Check out Daniel dennet part
Great series might I add. Check out Daniel dennet part
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Posted on 1/28/14 at 1:25 pm to markasaurus
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markasaurus
Any comments on the fallacy of the first Sam Harris video posted?
Posted on 1/28/14 at 1:34 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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It wasn't meant to be exciting, just informative. The suggestion that science has always been wrong and therefore not worth anything is one of the most idiotic things posted on this board...and that's saying something. This boring video addresses that.
Lightne up, it was kind of a joke, considering this was the last youtube I watched in my history LINK
And just to your point, the suggestion that science in general not being worth anything, for whatever reason, is ridiculous. Science is the study of why, for literally everything ever. If you find someone that claims science to be worthless, you have found someone you can cease having a conversation with, and will likely also close that video immediately upon opening because it is not stimulating and requires them to think.
This post was edited on 1/28/14 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 1/28/14 at 1:44 pm to Epic Cajun
The video, as I interpreted it, attempted to make the argument that God does not exist, because if he did, he would not allow children to die. The argument is fallacious in that all are born to die and dying is of no significance in the scheme of time and space. Death may be just a portal to a new dimension. Even Sam Harris has argued that reincarnation may be plausible on occasion, although he waffles on this issue.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 1:45 pm to OceanMan
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If you find someone that claims science to be worthless, you have found someone you can cease having a conversation with, and will likely also close that video immediately upon opening because it is not stimulating and requires them to think.
Which is why I typed this out as part of that post...
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And to you, I present Isaac Asimov's The Relativity of Wrong.
It'll fall on deaf ears in your case it seems, but others may enjoy it.
There is a contingent, both here and in the general public, that suggests that because science is is constantly changing that it equates to being wrong. It was that suggestion I was responding to with the Asimov quote as he addresses it specifically.
And yeah, the chicken thing is a bit more entertaining than someone reading Asimov's essay.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 1:47 pm to mattloc
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Even Sam Harris has argued that reincarnation may be plausible on occasion, although he waffles on this issue.
Please feel free to quote Harris on this. I've never seen him suggest anything of the kind, but I'm willing to be wrong.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 1:47 pm to OceanMan
I found this interesting. This is a still from the movie Devils Due previews. It ask people to change their religious beliefs on Facebook to satanism. Weird.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 1:50 pm to mattloc
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The video, as I interpreted it, attempted to make the argument that God does not exist, because if he did, he would not allow children to die.
In Harris' defense, he was making multiple points there as it was a 10 minute response to William Lane Craig during a debate he had with him at Notre Dame. Many of the points Harris was making were direct refutations to Craig's previous turn. This vide, with it's background animation and taken out of context makes it hard to follow that.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 1:53 pm to Placebeaux
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I found this interesting. This is a still from the movie Devils Due previews. It ask people to change their religious beliefs on Facebook to satanism. Weird.
That's pretty funny as far as viral marketing goes! It's going to cause a shitstorm...
That reminds me of a few posters here daring me to pray to Satan for a few weeks because all sorts of bad things would happen if I did. It didn't matter that I don't believe Satan exists, I was told...just do it. I did.
Would you be shocked to find nothing out of the ordinary happened?
Posted on 1/28/14 at 1:56 pm to GeauxTigerTM
Why would you do that? Just seems like a waste of time.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 1:57 pm to mattloc
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The video, as I interpreted it, attempted to make the argument that God does not exist, because if he did, he would not allow children to die. The argument is fallacious in that all are born to die and dying is of no significance in the scheme of time and space. Death may be just a portal to a new dimension.
Agreed, if God does exist and there is an after-life, the life we lead here on Earth is but a small portion of the "big picture". Dying in a sense is irrelevant.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 1:57 pm to GeauxTigerTM
I believe John Gorenfeld criticized Harris in a book entitled Alternet for defending reincarnation. Although I am at work and cannot verify this immediately
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Posted on 1/28/14 at 1:58 pm to Epic Cajun
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I find it amusing when small-minded people assume if they haven't experienced something, it doesn't exist.
THISx1000
Posted on 1/28/14 at 2:06 pm to WhoDatTigahsTampa
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I find it amusing when small-minded people assume if they haven't experienced something, it doesn't exist.
This is how I feel when people who haven't ever read a science book argue against evolution
Posted on 1/28/14 at 2:07 pm to Placebeaux
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Why would you do that? Just seems like a waste of time.
HAHA...well, yeah...it was. That was kind of why. But, I said I would so I did.
For my trouble, I was told I hadn't actually done it...which was as surprising as the sunrise.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 2:09 pm to Grim
Can't believe this thread is still rollin
Posted on 1/28/14 at 2:17 pm to mattloc
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I believe John Gorenfeld criticized Harris in a book entitled Alternet for defending reincarnation. Although I am at work and cannot verify this immediately
I looked it up. I'm not familiar with Gorenfeld, but based on the website I suspect he has issues with Harris' ability to point at Muslims and differentiate the state of their current religious beliefs and that of moderate Christians or Jews. To some on the liberal side, Harris is looked at as a leper for suggesting fanatical Islam is worse, despite it obviously being so.
Here is the article. At no point does he quote Harris as saying he believes any of it, just that he's open to the possibility...which is, after all, what any good skeptic would say. The author tries to link Harris to those that do believe in such things because Harris quoted them in different regards in a few of his books.
LINK
It appears to be kind of a hatchet job by a guy upset over Harris' politics not being quite left enough, which is funny considering how liberal Harris is.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 2:18 pm to mattloc
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Death may be just a portal to a new dimension
Posted on 1/28/14 at 2:26 pm to GeauxTigerTM
I have seen and heard "unclean" spirits before. I've also seen them respond to Jesus.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 2:38 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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There is a contingent, both here and in the general public, that suggests that because science is is constantly changing that it equates to being wrong. It was that suggestion I was responding to with the Asimov quote as he addresses it specifically.
Dude, I was agreeing with you, but just expanding to say those folks are dumb and not worth the time. The Asimov theory isn't exactly groundbreaking, it's kind of common sense. Being wrong doesn't make the opposite correct.
It seems that since I said that it was boring, you perceived my comments as if I thought it to be irrelevant, or that you were wrong for posting it. In my mind, it would have been a little less wrong id the slideshow didnt just use white backgrounds, old pictures of the guy, cheap google images, and maybe speak with a little more inflection.
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