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Regarding Diversity of Race and Thought
Posted on 3/27/19 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 3/27/19 at 4:52 pm
First let's start with Race.
If you go to many Asian countries and certain eastern European countries, you will see that the populations are usually 90%+ homogeneous. This is due to a combination of factors (government models, lack of colonizing or being colonized, etc.). There is absolutely nothing wrong with this.
When you look at the US and its history, there was alot of global involvement which directly resulted in interaction with other races. The US is not exclusive in this regard, but I'll use it as the example. Importation of slaves, hiring and/or coercement of Hispanic workers, wars with Native American Tribes, taking in migrants from other Hemispheres (ie European migration), etc.
All of the activities listed would inevitably lead to different races mixing both physically and ideologically. Political affiliation aside, you could make an argument that the US made itself a heterogeneous society by choice. The original intention was that outsider races were to be subservient to original inhabitants (typically in the form of labor). However, as rights were granted to different races, the heterogeneous society became equalized under the law.
Ideology (sorry missing title)
This leads a conundrum in the ideology of some conservatives versus other parties. You believe that if the US could just return to being homogenous like Poland or Japan, everything would be perfect. The problem is, the US was never like that from it's very inception.
This isnt a pro GOP or Democratic post. It is a commentary debunking the myth there was a ever a truly homogeneous after the Declaration of Independence.
If you go to many Asian countries and certain eastern European countries, you will see that the populations are usually 90%+ homogeneous. This is due to a combination of factors (government models, lack of colonizing or being colonized, etc.). There is absolutely nothing wrong with this.
When you look at the US and its history, there was alot of global involvement which directly resulted in interaction with other races. The US is not exclusive in this regard, but I'll use it as the example. Importation of slaves, hiring and/or coercement of Hispanic workers, wars with Native American Tribes, taking in migrants from other Hemispheres (ie European migration), etc.
All of the activities listed would inevitably lead to different races mixing both physically and ideologically. Political affiliation aside, you could make an argument that the US made itself a heterogeneous society by choice. The original intention was that outsider races were to be subservient to original inhabitants (typically in the form of labor). However, as rights were granted to different races, the heterogeneous society became equalized under the law.
Ideology (sorry missing title)
This leads a conundrum in the ideology of some conservatives versus other parties. You believe that if the US could just return to being homogenous like Poland or Japan, everything would be perfect. The problem is, the US was never like that from it's very inception.
This isnt a pro GOP or Democratic post. It is a commentary debunking the myth there was a ever a truly homogeneous after the Declaration of Independence.
This post was edited on 3/27/19 at 5:12 pm
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Posted on 3/27/19 at 4:54 pm to volod
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This leads a conundrum in the ideology of some conservatives versus other parties. You believe that if the US could just return to being homogenous like Poland or Japan, everything would be perfect.
False. Diversity is fine. When immigration is controlled.
But when every hombre or celestial is dashing across the border with no consequnces we have a problem.
This post was edited on 3/27/19 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 3/27/19 at 4:54 pm to volod
I don't understand your concepts. The most segregated areas of the country are liberal/Democratic.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 4:55 pm to volod
Democracy in non homogeneous societies will always be a racial head count
Posted on 3/27/19 at 4:56 pm to volod
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commentairity
Hmmmmm
Posted on 3/27/19 at 4:56 pm to volod
I dont have a problem with minorities. If the U.S. were all white I'd imagine there'd be much more competition for the good jobs. The way it's set up now I have a natural advantage.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 4:59 pm to volod
That's a very easy stance to take when you're defending the right of people to migrate into a "free market society" to compete for monies with inhabitants of that "free market society" without having to spend the "monies" the inhabitants or their ancestors did. It's very simple man. Gas, grass, or arse. No one rides for free.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 5:00 pm to volod
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Political affiliation aside, you could make an argument that the US made itself a heterogeneous society by choice.
But whose choice?
Homogeneous societies have proven to be stronger in the long term. Heterogeneous societies can be strong if everyone is united in goals and willing to work towards that goal and not leech off the hard work of others.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 5:01 pm to Cosmo
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But when every hombre or celestial is dashing across the border with no consequnces we have a problem.
Yeah, there are no deportations happening, or refugee centers for those awaiting an immigration hearing, or people being denied entry at the border.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 5:03 pm to volod
quote:
First let's start with Race.
If you go to many Asian countries and certain eastern European countries, you will see that the populations are usually 90%+ homogeneous. This is due to a combination of factors (government models, lack of colonizing or being colonized, etc.). There is absolutely nothing wrong with this.
When you look at the US and its history, there was alot of global involvement which directly resulted in interaction with other races. The US is not exclusive in this regard, but I'll use it as the example. Importation of slaves, hiring and/or coercement of Hispanic workers, wars with Native American Tribes, taking in migrants from other Hemispheres (ie European migration), etc.
All of the activities listed would inevitably lead to different races mixing both physically and ideologically. Political affiliation aside, you could make an argument that the US made itself a heterogeneous society by choice. The original intention was that outsider races were to be subservient to original inhabitants (typically in the form of labor). However, as rights were granted to different races, the heterogeneous society became equalized under the law.
Ideology (sorry missing title)
This leads a conundrum in the ideology of some conservatives versus other parties. You believe that if the US could just return to being homogenous like Poland or Japan, everything would be perfect. The problem is, the US was never like that from it's very inception.
This isnt a pro GOP or Democratic post. It is a commentairity debunking the myth there was a ever a truly homogeneous after the Declaration of Independence.
None of this makes any sense
Posted on 3/27/19 at 5:03 pm to The Spleen
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Yeah, there are no deportations happening, or refugee centers for those awaiting an immigration hearing, or people being denied entry at the border.
Drop in the bucket. Millions are getting through.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 5:04 pm to volod
Isn’t Southern University homogeneous?
Posted on 3/27/19 at 5:09 pm to volod
Diversity is good, whoever thinks America should be heterogeneous. IMO that is what America is about. Anyone who thinks the US should be homogeneous is an idiot and isn't a true American.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 5:11 pm to OweO
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Anyone who thinks the US should be homogeneous is an idiot and isn't a true American.
You must hate Gravy Chambers then...
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Diversity is good,
Diversity can be. Diversity for the sake of diversity is a proven loser though.
Have a meritocracy. Bring in the best and brightest. No quotas to fill. No required representation. That’s nonsense.
This post was edited on 3/27/19 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 3/27/19 at 5:23 pm to volod
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You believe that if the US could just return to being homogenous like Poland or Japan, everything would be perfect. The problem is, the US was never like that from it's very inception.
Uh.. no, no I don't. Or ever have or anyone that I know has ever had.
Where the frick do you come up with this kind of shite.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 5:25 pm to fr33manator
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Diversity for the sake of diversity
This is where the problems lies
Posted on 3/27/19 at 5:25 pm to Cosmo
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Drop in the bucket.
Irrelevant. His point was there are no consequences for crossing the border illegally. That is patently false.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 5:25 pm to OweO
This is true. Only our greatest ally is allowed their own ethnostate
Everyone else is forced to have a diverse shithole
Everyone else is forced to have a diverse shithole
Posted on 3/27/19 at 5:28 pm to volod
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This leads a conundrum in the ideology of some conservatives versus other parties. You believe that if the US could just return to being homogenous like Poland or Japan, everything would be perfect.
I've never seen a conservative say that if only we could return to being homogenous everything would be perfect. I see conservatives argue with liberals who use places like Japan, Swedan, Denmark as examples of socialist success stories, that they only have some success because they are homogenous. America has never been Homogenous, and i have never seen anyone argue that it ever was.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 5:32 pm to fr33manator
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Homogeneous societies have proven to be stronger in the long term.
What do you mean by stronger? And which societies specifically?
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