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re: Rare footage of extinct animals - a thread
Posted on 6/30/25 at 11:22 pm to AlxTgr
Posted on 6/30/25 at 11:22 pm to AlxTgr
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100% Pileated.
Again, I’d agree, probably most are Pileated sightings. Probably not all.
The wing beat timing and the wing stroke of the two birds are radically different.
If you’ve followed any of the proceedings between Sibley and Cornell, or Cornell’s original presentation, you’d see it’s a big point in Cornell’s favor that sticks in the craw of otherwise objective scientists and academics.
I’ve seen a descent number of Pileated and have never once gotten wired up with heart a flutter thinking it was an Ivory bill.
Many do, naturally so. Some even post videos of Pileated claiming they’re Ivory bills when they’re clearly not. This doesn’t mean all reports of Ivory bills are 100% Pileated.
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Posted on 7/1/25 at 6:57 am to Mr. Misanthrope
Honestly, this is now akin to believing in bigfoot. For the bird to still exist and not be seen regularly, the population would be impossibly small. Look, I want the bird to exist. It just doesn't. The day that statement is proven wrong will be a happy day.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 8:05 am to Mr. Misanthrope
There’s some fairly recent compelling videos of ivory bills in Louisiana. One of them has to be ivory bill you can make out the saddle on the wings and still see it after it lands.
Probably a few still around deep in the cypress marshes.
Probably a few still around deep in the cypress marshes.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 8:15 am to AlxTgr
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Look, I want the bird to exist. It just doesn't. The day that statement is proven wrong will be a happy day.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 1:02 pm to 1LoudTideFan
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There’s some fairly recent compelling videos of ivory bills in Louisiana. One of them has to be ivory bill you can make out the saddle on the wings and still see it after it lands.
I’ve seen at least two of those. One filmed by drones that’s pretty clear but quite far away. One closer but hastily filmed with the bird flying on two paths. One across the field of view, an apparent turn off camera, and a path diagonally and receding from the camera.
It seems there’s another, also drone footage, that’s from above as the bird traverses an open body of water.
quote:I believe it’s possible.
Probably a few still around deep in the cypress marshes.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 1:38 pm to 1LoudTideFan
quote:Can you link those?
There’s some fairly recent compelling videos of ivory bills in Louisiana. One of them has to be ivory bill you can make out the saddle on the wings and still see it after it lands.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 1:42 pm to goblrhntr
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This and I feel the same way about never seeing American Chestnut trees through the Appalachians again. Grandfather told me stories of the huge trees and nut piles and deer and turkeys just pigging out.
Movement to bring them back has started. Obviously will take too long for us to enjoy, but cool.
LINK
Planted 1,000 I think in New York.
Its interesting there is a specific disease/blight that just annihilates them.
This post was edited on 7/1/25 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 7/1/25 at 2:08 pm to CatfishJohn
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Movement to bring them back has started. Obviously will take too long for us to enjoy, but cool
The article says that some of the newly planted died to the disease. How is it spread?
Posted on 7/1/25 at 2:28 pm to Spaceman Spiff
Not sure. They’re trying to crossbreed surviving trees to see if they’re immune.
But it wasn’t an intentional logging thing or something that killed them out, which makes me happy humans didn’t do it on purpose like many animals. It’s a good wood for furniture and such.
But it wasn’t an intentional logging thing or something that killed them out, which makes me happy humans didn’t do it on purpose like many animals. It’s a good wood for furniture and such.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 4:04 pm to goblrhntr
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This and I feel the same way about never seeing American Chestnut trees through the Appalachians again. Grandfather told me stories of the huge trees and nut piles and deer and turkeys just pigging out.
We had an American chestnut somewhere on our lower 80 one time. Could still be there. Don’t know.
My oldest brother asked my grandfather to help him with a leaf collection he had to do in biology class. First stop was a 10 ft or so American Chestnut tree. My brother didn’t think it was a big deal.
He turned in his collection and said that the teacher would have been no more astounded if he had brought a live dinosaur in. Said he got to that leaf, went no farther, and got an A on the project.
Dad told me about where it was. I have been down there looking for it but cannot find one. Unfortunately neither my grandfather or older brother is still here to narrow the search.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 4:20 pm to CleverUserName
The Dodo Bird exists only via drawings, engravings and models. Wiped out before still photography was invented.
This post was edited on 7/1/25 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 7/21/25 at 10:10 am to AlxTgr
Posted on 7/21/25 at 10:16 am to 1LoudTideFan
Always a chance from that far away it is a pileated with some color morphism.
But at the 17 second mark the white saddle is evident just before it settles on the tree.
But at the 17 second mark the white saddle is evident just before it settles on the tree.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 10:35 am to 1LoudTideFan
The company trying to bring back Wooly Mammoths and those wolves needs to look into bringing back the passenger pigeon and the IBW. There are still frozen specimens of both.
It doesn't seem that far fetched to use a mourning dove egg for the passenger pigeon and a pileated woodpecker egg for the IBW. It's my understanding some genetic modification of the embryo would work.
If Monsanto can make round up ready corn, I think an extinct bird that we still have frozen is entirely possible.
ETA: shite....
Apparently they are trying...
It doesn't seem that far fetched to use a mourning dove egg for the passenger pigeon and a pileated woodpecker egg for the IBW. It's my understanding some genetic modification of the embryo would work.
If Monsanto can make round up ready corn, I think an extinct bird that we still have frozen is entirely possible.
ETA: shite....
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Passenger pigeon specimens at Carnegie Museum of Natural History, 2016 (photo by Kate St. John)
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Researchers gathered DNA from the toepads of passenger pigeon museum specimens and sequenced the full genomes of four birds. In doing so they discovered that passenger pigeons were extremely diverse at the ends of their chromosomes but had low diversity in the middle. Most animals, including the band-tailed pigeon, aren’t like that. Most animals are diverse all the way through.
Apparently they are trying...
This post was edited on 7/21/25 at 10:40 am
Posted on 7/21/25 at 2:42 pm to 1LoudTideFan
Thanks.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 3:27 pm to Nole Man
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The Tasmanian tiger, or Thylacine, became extinct in mainland Australia and New Guinea long ago.
Australia has some really weird animals.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 3:29 pm to Clyde Tipton
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Apparently they are trying...
They can try, but I doubt seriously they will have any real world success. Conservationists tried saving them when they had the real deal survivors to work with, and every effort failed.
The problem is at the genetic evolutionary level. They evolved to breed and live in massive flocks. That was their predator defense method. When numbers reached a point where they no longer had safety in numbers they completely stopped breeding. Captive breeding never worked, either. Assuming they're working with a true-to-life DNA clone of a Passenger Pigeon the numbers of birds they would have to reintroduce into the wild to form an actively breeding population would be prohibitive in many different ways.
They may create some bastardized form of the bird, as they did with the Dire Wolf, but it would not be a Passenger Pigeon.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 3:32 pm to CleverUserName
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We had an American chestnut somewhere on our lower 80 one time. Could still be there. Don’t know.
There are survivor American Chestnut trees here and there. They are the basis of efforts to create a disease resistant variety. If you ever do find that tree, I think there is a registrar of survivor trees that you could have it added to.
This post was edited on 7/21/25 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 7/21/25 at 3:36 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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How is it spread?
It is a fungus that is spread mostly on the wind.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 3:50 pm to LegendInMyMind
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There are survivor Americn Chestnut trees here and there. They are the basis of efforts to create a disease resistant variety. If you ever do find that tree, I think there is a registrar of survivor trees that you could have it added to.
I've planted a few dozen hybrids at my place in MS.
You can also buy american chestnuts though the seeds are rather expensive.
American Chestnut Foundation.
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