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re: Quiet Quitting? Well that a new term.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:40 pm to JudgeHolden
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:40 pm to JudgeHolden
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If you believe that unions still have that kind of leverage, then I guess.
Exxon locked em out at Baytown, and the union caved.
Damn, you aren't bright. Just because they didn't get their way doesn't mean both parties weren't privy to all of the information.
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:40 pm to Joshjrn
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I just don't think it's a reasonable justification for intentionally keeping your employees in the dark with the intent of buying their labor more cheaply than you actually value it.
I dont think thats the majority.
I keep my profit margins at certain points and increase wages when possible. Prosal pay is different. But I feel like those arguing "for" employees right now are assuming they are actually doing the bare minimum without any faults.
Keeping employees isnt the problem right now its hiring. And I think that shows more that the labor force is garbage. There are a ton of reasons for that.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:42 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Damn, you aren't bright.
Never said I am.
I’d agree with you that unions get more information than individuals. I don’t think it’s symmetrical.
But, hell, I’ve been wrong before.
This post was edited on 8/19/22 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:42 pm to More beer please
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Keeping employees isnt the problem right now
Maybe at your shop. More people have quit their jobs than ever the past couple of years.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:45 pm to sawtooth
The laziest, most miserable people that I work with are all in the 50-60 year old crowd. They cry and complain CONSTANTLY all while showing up everyday and doing the absolute bare minimum because they think they are entitled by “seniority”.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:52 pm to More beer please
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I dont think thats the majority.
I keep my profit margins at certain points and increase wages when possible. Prosal pay is different. But I feel like those arguing "for" employees right now are assuming they are actually doing the bare minimum without any faults.
Keeping employees isnt the problem right now its hiring. And I think that shows more that the labor force is garbage. There are a ton of reasons for that.
Based on your posts, it sounds like you genuinely value your employees. I just don't think you are reflective of the "majority" of business owners. And that's not meant to be a knock on individuals. Large corporate employers make up a significant portion of the market. When you combine that with the stupid/ignorant/capricious mom and pops, I believe that the majority of employers in this country would absolutely leverage information asymmetry in order to pay their employees less than they value them, and more specifically, less than they would pay them if the information asymmetry did not exist.
I could be wrong, but I would be damned surprised to find out I was.
ETA: I'm realizing that my wording was unclear. When I say "the majority of employers", I don't mean that as a raw number. I mean it in the sense of the percentage of employees under said employers, so Walmart counts as 2.3M employers in that construction, not just one.
This post was edited on 8/19/22 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 8/19/22 at 10:08 pm to sawtooth
Millennials and GenZ (Yall) do not have a sufficient grasp on the quality of life that older generations had relative to them. Yall want the best right now and get upset when it doesn’t happen. No concept of sacrifice for a better tomorrow. Be it hard work or saving your money. You just don’t get it that life doesn’t owe you shite.
1. I had shitty cars from 16 to 40. My first brand new car was when I was 40 and it was a practical one. Yall have brand new cars from the get go. Enjoy paying the 5 year note or maybe your daddy pays for it.
2. When yall were kids, yall got more Christmas presents in one night than I did in my entire childhood. I usually got underwear, a shirt, some jeans, and 1 board game. That’s no exaggeration.
3. I think I started cutting grass when I was 9 up until 17 for money. Yall had a grass cutting service do it while you played COD.
4. If I wanted knowledge, I had to watch someone do it in person or go to the library and manually search and skim for it in a table of contents. You couldn’t just google it. Yall had the knowledge of the human race on your desk (computer) or now in the palm of your hand.
5. I had 1 pair of tennis shoes and 1 pair of dress shoes. Yall got I don’t know how many pairs each costing more than a car note in my younger days. It’s ridiculous.
6. Eating out at a restaurant was a special occasion and not a daily occurrence. It was for birthdays mainly or if you were on a trip. The rest was home cooked meals because it was cheaper and better for you. Yall can’t even fry an egg. Gotta stop at Caines, Chick Fil A, Pizza, nuggets, etc.
We spoiled yall and now we have to deal with the shitty attitudes and the crying about how life isn’t fair that yall can’t afford a 2500 square foot McMansion with granite countertops and pool right with a brand new Jeep in the restaurant parking lot as you eat out for dinner multiple times a week right after they get out of college.
You’re parents did you a disservice. They didn’t teach you work ethic or how to sacrifice for a better tomorrow. Life may appear to be hard for you, but I don’t see it.
1. I had shitty cars from 16 to 40. My first brand new car was when I was 40 and it was a practical one. Yall have brand new cars from the get go. Enjoy paying the 5 year note or maybe your daddy pays for it.
2. When yall were kids, yall got more Christmas presents in one night than I did in my entire childhood. I usually got underwear, a shirt, some jeans, and 1 board game. That’s no exaggeration.
3. I think I started cutting grass when I was 9 up until 17 for money. Yall had a grass cutting service do it while you played COD.
4. If I wanted knowledge, I had to watch someone do it in person or go to the library and manually search and skim for it in a table of contents. You couldn’t just google it. Yall had the knowledge of the human race on your desk (computer) or now in the palm of your hand.
5. I had 1 pair of tennis shoes and 1 pair of dress shoes. Yall got I don’t know how many pairs each costing more than a car note in my younger days. It’s ridiculous.
6. Eating out at a restaurant was a special occasion and not a daily occurrence. It was for birthdays mainly or if you were on a trip. The rest was home cooked meals because it was cheaper and better for you. Yall can’t even fry an egg. Gotta stop at Caines, Chick Fil A, Pizza, nuggets, etc.
We spoiled yall and now we have to deal with the shitty attitudes and the crying about how life isn’t fair that yall can’t afford a 2500 square foot McMansion with granite countertops and pool right with a brand new Jeep in the restaurant parking lot as you eat out for dinner multiple times a week right after they get out of college.
You’re parents did you a disservice. They didn’t teach you work ethic or how to sacrifice for a better tomorrow. Life may appear to be hard for you, but I don’t see it.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 10:11 pm to Joshjrn
Well yeah corporations are different.
But small private business owners have no choice but to value their employees.
But small private business owners have no choice but to value their employees.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 10:12 pm to sawtooth
I worked my arse to get to the top of my career. Working to 3-4AM wasn’t unusual for me. Looking back, it wasn’t worth it. I tell the young people don’t do it, have a life don’t let work be your life. I’m done now, but I’ll officially retire in 10 years, so screw it call me quite retired.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 10:14 pm to More beer please
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Well yeah corporations are different.
But small private business owners have no choice but to value their employees.
I'm not sure I agree with that, at least not historically. Many small, closely held businesses still view their workforce as infinitely replaceable. Hell, feel free to come hang out on one of the many Fleur de Lis threads on the Food/Drink board if you want a specific example
Posted on 8/19/22 at 10:18 pm to Joshjrn
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Many small, closely held businesses still view their workforce as infinitely replaceable. Hell, feel free to come hang out on one of the many Fleur de Lis threads on the Food/Drink board if you want a specific example
Oh Ive seen that shite show
But for those that did, idk. how they do that currently.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 10:20 pm to sawtooth
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Gen Z and younger millennials, born in 1989 and after, reported the lowest engagement of all during the first quarter at 31%
Gen X was under reported because we know better than to answer the phone when those Gallup bitches call. Now frick off. I have to call New Dehli and hire some $17 an hour engineers.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 10:24 pm to More beer please
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But for those that did, idk. how they do that currently.
But that's the rub. I think a lot of businesses that did it historically are starting to struggle to do it currently. And I think that shift is what's causing a lot of the animosity we are seeing and hearing about. Any employer who in the back of their minds (or on the tips of their tongues) believe their employees should simply consider themselves "lucky to have a job" is likely in for a rude awakening in the near future, if they aren't in the middle of one already.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 10:31 pm to Joshjrn
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Any employer who in the back of their minds (or on the tips of their tongues) believe their employees should simply consider themselves "lucky to have a job" is likely in for a rude awakening in the near future, if they aren't in the middle of one already.
How much longer do you think the government can continue to pay people to not work? Indefinitely?
I don’t think the business owners are in for the rude awakening.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 10:32 pm to sawtooth
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How much longer do you think the government can continue to pay people to not work? Indefinitely?
What year is it?
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I don’t think the business owners are in for the rude awakening.
Well you're also a retard wrench turner, so.....
Posted on 8/19/22 at 10:35 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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retard wrench turner
I haven’t made less than $100 K since I turned 30 twenty years ago. I also have a degree from LSU.
Yeah I’ll turn wrenches for that.
You don’t think history repeats itself? Now who is being naive?
Posted on 8/19/22 at 10:37 pm to sawtooth
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I haven’t made less than $100 K since I turned 30 twenty years ago
Is that good? I sit in an office and don't have to work overtime and made more than that at 26
Posted on 8/19/22 at 10:43 pm to sawtooth
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How much longer do you think the government can continue to pay people to not work? Indefinitely?
I don’t think the business owners are in for the rude awakening.
You realize that increased unemployment payments due to Covid ended over a year ago, right? So yes, considering we have long since returned to what is the modern norm regarding unemployment, I would anticipate that norm to continue indefinitely.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 10:44 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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don't have to work
That’s not surprising.
Good enough for me Mingo. I’m quite happy with life.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 10:48 pm to sawtooth
You sound miserable to be honest.
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