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re: Questions about the teaching profession.

Posted on 10/18/18 at 8:39 am to
Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 10/18/18 at 8:39 am to
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teacher gets payed $35k-$60k with the median somewhere in there.


Fify

Ain’t no teachers making over 60 without stipends unless you’re in NY or Cali.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 10/18/18 at 8:40 am to
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Why do most teachers complain about being a teacher?


Majority of teachers are women, so I say it's to get sympathy/attention.
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
21693 posts
Posted on 10/18/18 at 8:42 am to
I don't know. They're the ones who chose to go back to middle/high school. Every teacher I know that I went to school with fricking hated school.

My first question to them is "why did you choose to go back to the place you hated so much for the rest of you're life?" And I usually get some for of "well, I thought it would be easier than this."
Posted by JawjaTigah
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Posted on 10/18/18 at 8:42 am to
Several reasons (anecdotal - my wife and 2 daughters are all counselors or teachers; also numerous friends and several cousins - they have worked in a variety of different school systems in different states). This comes from them...

1. lack of accountability. Too many modern parents have no discipline over older kids.
2. lack of parental role. Too many parents have no awareness of their child's behavior patterns and no willingness to hear about problem behavior "not my son/daughter - he/she's a good kid - teacher is incompetent or hates my child" - and these parents are often either altogether absent, have unrealistic expectations, or else are unreasonably demanding.
3. dysfunctional family life at home.
4. unreasonable pressures and increasing demands on teachers/counselors by school boards/legislative bodies to teach for mandated testing, leaving less and less class time for actual instruction or counseling.
5. failure to recognize teachers as professionals in their own right; few actual choices given to teachers/counselors
6. political pressure from local school boards to keep parents happy often leads to impotent administrators in the local schools, which means less and less on-site support for teachers in the event of some inevitable student/teacher/parent issues when they may arise. You should hear what goes on in some parent/teacher conferences.
7. Weak or highly politicized unions - especially in right to work states like Florida means teachers are often left hanging on the line in times of legit complaint.
8. Shootings in random schools leave a lot to be desired for overall school security. Arming teachers may sound politically sexy, but think about that for a minute. Would you have wanted your screaming Jr. High PE coach to have had a gun on any given day in the locker room?
9. low pay compared with other professionals.
10. less and less actual job satisfaction due to all of the above. Many excellent teachers are leaving the profession. Fewer college grads are entering it. That leaves... who? teaching our children and grandchildren.

Sure there are some rotten apples in any teacher barrel. But the vast majority of them are quite devoted to teaching children, not feathering the nest for some bloated bureaucrats, jumping through political hoops, or coddling insane or incompetent parents.

This post was edited on 10/18/18 at 8:52 am
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
27692 posts
Posted on 10/18/18 at 8:42 am to
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Considering most professional jobs have 2-6 weeks of vacation every year, theres really not that much difference in time actually working.


Teachers get off for spring break, Christmas, Thanksgiving, etc. on top of having the whole summer off.

So yes, there is a huge difference in time actually working.
This post was edited on 10/18/18 at 8:45 am
Posted by ElDawgHawg
L.A. (lower Arkansas)
Member since Nov 2012
3202 posts
Posted on 10/18/18 at 8:44 am to
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I did some google searches. Average teacher salary is $56,000. But that’s for 9 months work. Extrapolate that over 12 months, and they are making the equivalent of $75,000 on average.



You must have done a nationwide search.... Some states pay teachers very well.... not true in the south. average classroom teacher will make 32-45,000. Extra stipends for club sponsor, coach, director, etc may bump it up some.
I teach a full load of classes and coach 3 sports and don't make 60,000 in South Arkansas... and I get 2 weeks off in the summer.... so don't talk to me about it being a 9 month job... that's total BS.

Remember teachers are responsible for helping produce the next generation of professionals.... and we are grossly underpaid... but that's cool?

I promise you I deal with more crap in a day than pretty much anyone on this board for probably a lot less money.

Granted I didn't become a teacher/coach to get rich, I did it because I love what I do.
I have an admin degree now and will be transitioning to the other side of education... and I can guarantee you I'll be pushing for my teachers to get paid better every chance I get.
Posted by BigPerm30
Member since Aug 2011
29419 posts
Posted on 10/18/18 at 8:45 am to
You get to work half a year and frick underage kids with only the threat of probation. Doesn’t seem like a bad gig.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
60736 posts
Posted on 10/18/18 at 8:45 am to
They don’t complain more than any other people. The OT just has a thing for bitching about teachers
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
27692 posts
Posted on 10/18/18 at 8:48 am to
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coach 3 sports and don't make 60,000 in South Arkansas... and I get 2 weeks off in the summer
You coach 3 sports.

Most teachers don’t and they have much more time off.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
28413 posts
Posted on 10/18/18 at 8:48 am to
My wife is a teacher and loves it. She can't imagine doing anything else. She even teaches ~180 mostly low-income ESL 5th graders. She's a saint for some of the shite she puts up with, so I don't mind her occasional bitching. Everyone occasionally bitches about there job.
Posted by JawjaTigah
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Posted on 10/18/18 at 8:50 am to
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They don’t complain more than any other people. The OT just has a thing for bitching about teachers

It's the ipso facto factor. There, you have it. The ignorance of the value of teachers, what teachers do, the lack of accountability, and ad infinitum of those who bash teachers and teaching demonstrated before our very eyes.

Picture some of these in a parent/teacher conference. And weep for our children and teachers.
Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
19568 posts
Posted on 10/18/18 at 8:50 am to
Christmas + SB = 2 weeks

Everybody gets off for Christmas Day and TG, so those don’t count.

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the whole summer off.


No. Kids don’t get out till second week of June and teachers are in there a full week later. So last week of June till last week of July or first week of August. So like I previously said, a month and a half total.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281915 posts
Posted on 10/18/18 at 8:50 am to
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Some states pay teachers very well.... not true in the south.


true, but the cost of living is much cheaper.

I think people would move if making more were more important than staying in the location where they are currently employed.
Posted by LSUGrad9295
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2007
35293 posts
Posted on 10/18/18 at 8:51 am to
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A teacher gets payed $50k-$80k with the median somewhere in there.


Where?


I have a friend who teaches art at a middle school in Houston and makes $55K. She has been teaching for about 10 years.

A freaking ART teacher makes that much. Of course in Texas, they actually give a shite about education and paying teachers.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
60736 posts
Posted on 10/18/18 at 8:52 am to
It would take them paying six figures for me to even consider teaching.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68123 posts
Posted on 10/18/18 at 8:57 am to
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have a friend who teaches art at a middle school in Houston and makes $55K. She has been teaching for about 10 years.


Ok. Now, go an hour north. To a rural ETx ISD. Think the same Art teacher makes 55k??
Posted by BigPerm30
Member since Aug 2011
29419 posts
Posted on 10/18/18 at 8:58 am to
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I have a friend who teaches art at a middle school in Houston and makes $55K.


How do you live off that shite?
Posted by JawjaTigah
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 10/18/18 at 8:59 am to
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the cost of living is much cheaper.
Oh wait. You mean the cost of living in the South? Is New Orleans in the South? Is Florida? Have you priced real estate in places like that?

Young teachers may want to have families in those places, which means they would like to buy a home, like so many other young professionals. Some are single parents.

Checked rent averages for a decent home in a decent neighborhood lately? How about buying a starter home?

Then factor in utilities. Insurance. Medical care. Food.

Feasible on a teacher's salary?

quote:

I think people would move if making more were more important than staying in the location where they are currently employed.
What do you think a lot of them are doing?
This post was edited on 10/18/18 at 9:01 am
Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
19568 posts
Posted on 10/18/18 at 8:59 am to
Texas teachers who don’t live in major cities or suburbs are lucky to start off with 40k.
Posted by Thias2685
Member since Sep 2012
2696 posts
Posted on 10/18/18 at 9:00 am to
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Education is known to be one of the easier degrees to get.


False.

quote:

Do you believe teacher pay is fair? I realize that not working in the classroom for 1/4 of the year is one factor why its paid low.


No, the pay is shite and far from fair. My wife is a teacher and my mom is a retired teacher. They are paid once a month and it's a measly salary. Teachers spend a ton of time doing work after hours both at home and on weekends. Their pay averages out to about minimum wage. Not saying they should be paid like doctors but education should be valued every bit as much as healthcare and they deserve to be paid A LOT more than they are.

State is constantly cutting funding for public education and they point the finger at teachers when their kids' scores are subpar. My wife pays at least $1000 a year out of pocket to provide things for her class that the school board used to but doesn't anymore due to budget cuts. Also, most parents having kids these days are too young and immature to have had kids in the first place, don't do any parenting at home and aren't willing to work with their own kids. When their kids have problems in school guess where they point the finger....teachers.

It's an overly stressful job that is significantly underpaid but my wife deals with the BS because she genuinely loves working with children, being part of their development, and watching them progress.
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