re: Question for white collar baws

Has very little to do with lazy. The idea that blue collar workers are less lazy because the type of work they do is fricking hilarious.

How many plant operators sit on their arse all day watching Netflix and eating snacks?

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most additional compensation is well under 40%.

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Not it’s not

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So the average platinum tier plan employer cost is around $25k for family coverage and includes about 3% of overall plans.

Your plan would be beyond the bar for platinum.

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because you were being a douche I went and looked exactly what the company paid last year for my plan(this isnt including dental or eye etc) and it was couple dollars under 31k. at my last job it was 37k. so no my highly inflated numbers are in fact....not highly inflated

you also arent including the life insurance, short and long term disability many places provide. plus dental, eye, hsa, etc

not to mention many plants have full gyms and full urgent cares on site.

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Sooo their health care costs are in the 100k+ range? (Your numbers would be less than 43% at 200k).

Downvote all you want, but you are increasingly describing a much smaller set of engineers than you started with, with worse and worse math.

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again...when you factor in all benefits its 75k+ or so maybe more depending on the position and how much is having to go into retirement. also which plan they choose for insurance, do they have a family etc

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Facts are most engineers make less than 100k, and most additional compensation is well under 40%.

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the fact is the average salary in Louisiana for an engineer(which includes things like industrial & other not real engineers) is 113k.

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Which still probably puts them beyond many blue collar fields, but does not match up with investment bankers as a field, much less doctors.

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i never said it was the same as those but I also didnt rack up 200k in debt for med school, i work way less hours than most doctors( i work 40 hours a week), i dont have crazy insurance cost and the fact is senior engineers make as much as some doctors.

we have gotten so far off topic, I dont even know wtf we are arguing at this point. from the start I was talking about the OP doesnt understand true cost of what white collar guys make.

not to mention when you start looking at what you would have to charge you have to include profit margin, overhead cost in terms of equipment, building, vehicles, gas, match fica taxs, pay futa, pay suta, etc

my whole point was you could never afford engineers, doctors, lawyers etc

and even if you could, those guys would be gone as soon as they got their masters license to start a competing business and more than likely within 6 months are in management anyways. They are successful for a reason.

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I do alright, but I wouldn't say I am there with Neurosurgeons, Orthopedics, or some of the other big money doctors

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of course not, not even close, thats why i said some.

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I cannot believe we are still talking about this.

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agreed, and i wasnt trying to make it sound like engineers make as much as investment bankers or doctors and in fact never even said that until the last post and I was very clear when i said some doctors and said senior engineers.

but that wasnt even the point of the original post nor my original post nor Mingos where the guy started attacking for no reasons about total cost on an employee which was my original point.

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Bottom line, all of the white collar guys here, in this thread, are well above what blue collar guys can make. There are some white collar jobs however, that do not touch what some blue collar jobs pay. All of these are liberal arts degreed people with government or teaching jobs or something else shitty.

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absolutely, just like there are some blue collar jobs that out earn neurosurgeons and investment bankers, they are rare but they exists.

My job is considered "blue collar" but all I do is sit in a monitoring room and the occasional elementary level electrical work. You should be more specific.

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Sorry my man. Drinking spritzers in Croatia atm. May have come off a bit hostile. Didn't mean it that way.

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Would love to know those. I would quit my job today.

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go look how much some of the guys get paid to change light bulbs on some of the top of towers. some of the crazy jobs can make bank

but also some of the guys that become consultants for places like refineries and they are specialist with like 2 decades experience in something rare

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Once someone is in a true white collar job, they are not likely to voluntarily move to blue.

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I think that’s true.
I started with my company right out of college with a finance degree. 5 years and I was bored AF. Decided to take a job in the field. Been at it now for 17 years. I started at the bottom of the pole doing grunt work, learned what it is we do and worked my way into managing on the blue collar side.
I’m 55 now and just hung up my steel toe boots and hard hat and am moving back to white collar side after 23 years with the company. The job is more money and WFH, which is great because I live a long ways from the city.

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How many plant operators sit on their arse all day watching Netflix and eating snacks?

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And you think plant operators are white collar? The distinction was between people who wore suits and never got their hands dirty and people who did the work which made suits a bad idea.
BTW several of my family members were/are plant operators and never described themselves as white collar. One always claimed to be upper blue collar.

No, I very clearly am saying they are blue collar, countering the post I replied to that white collar workers are lazy